oh what irony
Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
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Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
#72The same article from alternative source https://outline.com/WnGGRk
If you prepend "facebook.com/l.php?u=" to a wsj link, it will let you read the full article. Like so: https://facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.wsj.com/articles/fa...
Maybe that's the kind of data they need to reconsider their approach to privacy.
Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
#73Facebook is very very evil, much more so than Google. SEC/DOJ/whoever needs to step in and stop Zuckerberg.
I recently tried to log into their mobile, javascript-less site, and in order to let me continue to log in they required a photo of my face and my phone number. I've had to submit photos for online financial services/compliance, but not a social network that is tied into all kinds of other data. And that's what they asked because I wasn't running javascript. It raised my concerns about what they do when I do have jav…
Wonder what their TOS allows them to do with just that data.
Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I once sat in on a pitch from an antivirus software company who was selling the ability to look at the full browsing history of people who had visited your website. You could see all of their searches, if they visited competitors, and more. Most of the time I get annoyed of the FUD of "they're selling my data!" but this was different. It was true and it was scary.
Why not name them?
I'd put it this way. My first inkling that something was wrong was when Norton Anti-Virus shifted to a subscription model and charged me full retail for a renewal back around 2006. What does disabling virus updates for ordinary users with the explicit intent of leaving them vulnerable says about a company's attitude in regard to long term trust?
I left Norton for Kaspersky and paid it protection money for a few years. It seemed refreshing at first. One day, a few years later, I learned how to look at my LAN traffic and saw how often I was sending data to its servers. It was more often than seemed reasonable. That's about the time Microsoft started providing its own free anti-virus and I started switching machines...the Windows XP Professional x64 box stayed on Kaspersky despite my misgivings until I upgraded it to Windows 7 because Microsoft did not port its anti-virus to that platform.
Spyware is often the basis for free software. Adobe Reader and Google Chrome and the Ask toolbar that shipped with Java are pretty obvious examples.
Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I recently tried to log into their mobile, javascript-less site, and in order to let me continue to log in they required a photo of my face and my phone number. I've had to submit photos for online financial services/compliance, but not a social network that is tied into all kinds of other data. And that's what they asked because I wasn't running javascript. It raised my concerns about what they do when I do have jav…
Is this satire? Holy shit if not. Did you try fooling it? Wonder what their TOS allows them to do with just that data.
If you can't replicate it through a standard browser, try through a VPN or TOR browser.
Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I once sat in on a pitch from an antivirus software company who was selling the ability to look at the full browsing history of people who had visited your website. You could see all of their searches, if they visited competitors, and more. Most of the time I get annoyed of the FUD of "they're selling my data!" but this was different. It was true and it was scary.
Google can do this for anyone using 8.8.8.8 for DNS. You don't think they run it out of pure altruism do you?
It is probably better to use OpenDNS, but they used to do the same spammy redirect on NXDOMAINs that ISPs do (I think I heard they stopped that). To be honest, the real reason I don't use them much anymore is that their IPs are harder to remember. It's easier to do 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4.
Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does Google not monitor/monetize Google Fi, Google Fiber, Google Play Services, Google DNS, Google Chrome, Google Safe Browing, and on and on and on... (Google Maps, Google Location Services)
None of those are marketed as a VPN or data security apps.
Although not quoting until now (my mistake), my reply was specifically in response to your previous point:
I don't think that's a reasonable comparison [...] it doesn't give insight into competitors metrics unless those competitors choose to share that information
The lines begin to blur especially when discussing means of accessing the internet (especially most efficiently/safely) and/or core (semi-artificially-required) mobile phone operating system components!
If nothing else they offer the path of least resistance. Any best-of-breed solution (GMail, Google Docs, Chrome - all somehwat a matter of opinion) or de facto monopoly-ish position (search, free analytics, Google Play Services?) by Google offers the potential for them to gain info on competitors in much the same way Amazon can take over succesful verticals originally occupied by a third party.
Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google isn't misrepresenting what a DNS service does. Zuck is kind of a slimy weasel.
I don't think most users fully appreciate that it exists purely to log your activity on sites that Google doesn't directly track through ads
DNS can't log your activity on a website, can it? All DNS does is resolve hosts, right?
DNS service can log that you resolved a host, but doesn't know what you did with the IP address it returned.
Re: Facebook’s Onavo Gives Social-Media Firm Inside Peek at Rivals’ Users
#80A comment on the WSJ brings up an interesting point—if Zuckerberg were to run for president, would he have access to this information? What else could he have access to? Given the amount of data Facebook has about everybody, I find that possibility worrisome. It seems obvious that a campaign strategist could segment individual states, regions and cities. They could target people based on likes and interests. They cou…
I see Zuckerberg being in a position to do the same several steps in advance. If you send the right corporate execs the right embarrassing information they could certainly refrain from recommending that their company donate to an anti-Zuckerberg PAC.