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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by dsr_ »

ttoinou wrote: post #67
dsr_ wrote: post #15

The Coast Guard is your ally, along with the Navy. Talk to your insurance company; they have lots of experience (or else you picked the wrong one.) Oh, are you equating copyright violation with major theft, murder and associated felonies so heinous that there is actually a separate body of international law to address it? Please don't do that. Unless you are already a market leader, copyright violation is largely equ…

I don't understand the irony. I've already said I don't care about piracy in itself and that I am a huge pirate myself.

It's not irony, it's naming. If you name copyright violation as piracy, you associate murder and theft and rape and kidnapping with unauthorized copying.

Don't be a pirate. If you have to be, be an unauthorized copier.

In the meantime, think about whether you want to use carrot strategies or stick strategies.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by JamesBaxter »

aerovistae wrote: post #69
JamesBaxter wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes 0 sense to me. Presumably an author can pick a publisher that does or doesn't distribute to libraries. Even then a library is still buying at least one book if not multiple. If a creator stopped making software you pirated because it wasn't sustainable would you feel guilt?

> Even then a library is still buying at least one book if not multiple. And someone originally bought the pirated software, too, which they then went on to share with others.... just like a library. So what, again, is the difference? No, of course I wouldn't feel guilt. Do you feel guilt when you buy things secondhand or borrow books from libraries? You're not benefiting the creator and you're shortchanging the crea…

I would imagine a lot of pirated software is taken from versions stolen from creators so there was no original purchase.

Also buying second hand is completely different as one second hand DVD can't be shared amongst millions of people. It's a completely different scale...

Was also interested to read about the PLR

https://www.plr.uk.com/allAboutPlr/whatIsPlr.htm

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by [deleted] »

aerovistae wrote: post #69
JamesBaxter wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes 0 sense to me. Presumably an author can pick a publisher that does or doesn't distribute to libraries. Even then a library is still buying at least one book if not multiple. If a creator stopped making software you pirated because it wasn't sustainable would you feel guilt?

> Even then a library is still buying at least one book if not multiple. And someone originally bought the pirated software, too, which they then went on to share with others.... just like a library. So what, again, is the difference? No, of course I wouldn't feel guilt. Do you feel guilt when you buy things secondhand or borrow books from libraries? You're not benefiting the creator and you're shortchanging the crea…

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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by danpalmer »

JamesBaxter wrote: post #21

Many people I know have always pirated software and TV and said once there was a reasonable way to get it legally they would pay for it. I haven't seen this be the case. I don't think you can convert pirates. It is possible however to convert legal users to pirates by having systems that annoy people who have legally purchased. I don't know how you strike the balance. I hate the entitlement of people who pirate stuff…

I pirated a lot of software in high school, but used it to Tech myself skills and now EPA’s for much of what I used, or have enough good will and skills that I would pay for it if I needed it.

I also pirated a lot of films. I now subscribe to 2 streaming services, and search them and BBC iPlayer before pirating anything now as it’s more convenient.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by ttoinou »

dsr_ wrote: post #71
ttoinou wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the irony. I've already said I don't care about piracy in itself and that I am a huge pirate myself.

It's not irony, it's naming. If you name copyright violation as piracy, you associate murder and theft and rape and kidnapping with unauthorized copying. Don't be a pirate. If you have to be, be an unauthorized copier. In the meantime, think about whether you want to use carrot strategies or stick strategies.

   If you name copyright violation as piracy
We pirates embrace that term, don't we ? Sorry if that word originally conveys the violence associated with theses marginals groups

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by majewsky »

vortico wrote: post #63
runeks wrote: post #59

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> If you want to release your set of plugins to the world, pirates will have to match the versions of those plugins to the versions of their application, and if there are other plugins in the internet, they will also have to match. Are you relying on constantly making breaking changes to the plugin API for this to work? Otherwise, it may just be the case that pirates haven’t figured out that they need to disable the…

Yes, it's a large application that is constantly being improved, so there are always at least some changes between versions that break ABI compatibility. Even a simple change of the application that only requires a recompilation of the plugins would break ABI. Pirates would have to modify inconceivable amounts of binary code to match a 67.0 plugin to a 68.0 application or vise versa.

> Pirates would have to modify impractical amounts of binary code

FTFY

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by Ace17 »

The term "piracy" would describe a lot better "the act of developing/releasing malware/ransomware" - at least, it would involve the notion of "attacking".

Maybe the time has come to slowly shift the meaning...

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by eCa »

dsr_ wrote: post #71
ttoinou wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the irony. I've already said I don't care about piracy in itself and that I am a huge pirate myself.

It's not irony, it's naming. If you name copyright violation as piracy, you associate murder and theft and rape and kidnapping with unauthorized copying. Don't be a pirate. If you have to be, be an unauthorized copier. In the meantime, think about whether you want to use carrot strategies or stick strategies.

> If you name copyright violation as piracy [...]

I think that ship has sailed.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with piracy?

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

dsr_ wrote: post #15

The Coast Guard is your ally, along with the Navy. Talk to your insurance company; they have lots of experience (or else you picked the wrong one.) Oh, are you equating copyright violation with major theft, murder and associated felonies so heinous that there is actually a separate body of international law to address it? Please don't do that. Unless you are already a market leader, copyright violation is largely equ…

> Oh, are you equating copyright violation with major theft, murder and associated felonies so heinous that there is actually a separate body of international law to address it? Please don't do that.

The term "software pirate" was invented by software pirates.

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