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Can protein startups and their investors take on Big Cow?

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Re: Can protein startups and their investors take on Big Cow?

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Very true, Pad Thai without any protein aside from tofu is still delicious.

Yep. Sugar, oil and salt with a bit of crunchy veg, chilli, soft rice noodles, often egg, a touch of fish sauce and lime. Classic. Will definitely be on offer at http://8-food.com/ launch :)

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Re: Can protein startups and their investors take on Big Cow?

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Citing one study (meta analysis or not) and claiming debunked is not a serious argument, especially with respect to diet where there is data all over the place. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2721724/ There was an inverse association between soy food intake and sperm concentration that remained significant after accounting for age, abstinence time, body mass index, caffeine and alcohol intake and smokin…

Wrong measure. What if men had lower concentration of sperm but higher volume of the ejaculate? Soy is known to have benefits on prostate and much of the volume of sperm comes from prostate liquid.

I'm not attacking soy, just the style of argument.

Re: Can protein startups and their investors take on Big Cow?

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Possibly wrong measure, and not the whole story in any case. The implicitly suggested volume measure might not be the wrong measure either since fertility depends on quite a few variables, several we don't even know about. These unknowns are actually a bit concerning on their own since fertility has been falling rapidly, at least in most of the western hemisphere, and the cause is unknown.

Well, Asia does not seem to suffer yet soy is a significant part of their caloric intake.

Citation required? I doubt it is even 5%.

Re: Can protein startups and their investors take on Big Cow?

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Presence isn't really the an indicator of amount.

Prevelance is.

Not really. If every food you eat has a microgram of soy, that still wouldn't be the same as eating a pound of tofu, which wouldn't be the same as eating 3000 Calories of tofu.

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Not a great food for men, though.

Here are two PubMed surveys that show there is no evidence for Soy consumption having feminizing effects on men. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224 [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106

Note that the second is specific to isoflavones.

A newer study I came across this afternoon in an endocrinology journal came to the same conclusion about soy isoflavones.

Re: Can protein startups and their investors take on Big Cow?

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Well, Asia does not seem to suffer yet soy is a significant part of their caloric intake.

Citation required? I doubt it is even 5%.

> Nevertheless, Americans as a whole still consume very little soy protein. Based on 2003 data from the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, per-capita soy protein consumption is less than 1 gram (g) per day in most European and North American countries, although certain subpopulations such as vegetarians, Asian immigrants, and infants fed soy-based formula consume more. The Japanese, on the other hand, consume an average 8.7 g of soy protein per day; Koreans, 6.2–9.6 g; Indonesians, 7.4 g; and the Chinese, 3.4 g.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1480510/

At least it's several times bigger than European and USA consumption.

Citation required for what? The fact that they eat more soy?

Demonizing soy is just a fad. Like demonizing meat or dairy.

Most of USA and Europe eats female mammals like cows and chickens, are we going to make claims that female animal estrogen contained in that flesh makes men infertile? Seems like a much more probable cause than phytoestrogen from plants, not that I would be irresposible to make that argument without any evidence, as is the case for soy.

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In addition to lessening misery, reducing the consumption of animal meat also helps prevent global warming (since animal farming is a significant contributor to the problem).

This is an unpopular statement around these parts, but, there's no proof that any human activity is causing the current increase in global temperatures, and they match the progression that preceded previous solar grand minimums, of which we are headed into another one now. Not saying humans aren't causing tons of ground level pollution, which we totally are and that's indisputable. Just don't confuse it with global w…

y'all need science
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