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We need to document macOS

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Re: We need to document macOS

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Better: We need to stop using undocumented proprietary systems like macOS.

In contrast to undocumented free (open) systems? Documentation is an issue irrespective of prorietariness(??!) of a system. I welcome this initiative. (Yes I know there are examples of documentation excellence to be found in some free/open systems. You can advocate their use whilst also having well documented macOs.)

It's much easier to document things when you can dive into the source-code.

Re: We need to document macOS

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I love reading these hilariously entitled comments from people who must have either ignored or foregone considering their choice of env years ago while anyone sensible and reasonably intelligent realized how to avoid these issues in the first place. No, you do not get any hand-holding in the world of technology; you can't simultaneously hope for a consumer product that "Just Works^TM" and demand your customization ne…

Listen man, I do plenty of customization. What I'm bitching about here is what I consider to be a lack of innovation and a dereliction on obvious existing, key tools. Finder is a beautiful example of Apple not taking care of it's shit. I don't need a fucking hand hold. My 3 year old Macbook Air is in my opinion the BEST laptop available. I'm angry that the innovation appears to have ceased from the availible provider…

> What I'm bitching about here is what I consider to be a lack of innovation and a dereliction on obvious existing, key tools.

The confusing part is you mentioned PathFinder as being a great alternative yet it's very much a Norton Commander (1986) style file manager that hasn't changed all that much in the last decade. It's a great app but proves almost exactly the opposite point.

Re: We need to document macOS

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Listen man, I do plenty of customization. What I'm bitching about here is what I consider to be a lack of innovation and a dereliction on obvious existing, key tools. Finder is a beautiful example of Apple not taking care of it's shit. I don't need a fucking hand hold. My 3 year old Macbook Air is in my opinion the BEST laptop available. I'm angry that the innovation appears to have ceased from the availible provider…

> What I'm bitching about here is what I consider to be a lack of innovation and a dereliction on obvious existing, key tools. The confusing part is you mentioned PathFinder as being a great alternative yet it's very much a Norton Commander (1986) style file manager that hasn't changed all that much in the last decade. It's a great app but proves almost exactly the opposite point.

I don't think that my point is opposite. I find Finder to be so regressive that just more of the exact same would be a blessing. It's also entirely possible that hierarchical file system browsing is a solved problem and Norton Commander or even XP MS Explorer is as good as it needs to be. I don't entirely buy that it's the final form, but sure I'd be fine if it were true.

My suspicion with Finder is that it was deliberately made small and cumbersome to drive people to Spotlight. However at the time Spotlight was totally inadequate. The iOS platform started to take off and caring about that was shelved. To make up for that I used Alfred for years until Spotlight was updated. Alfred still has a leg up on Spotlight to some degree, like being able to run ssh commands. The Spotlight update came with what? Lion? To just make it pretty good?

How Spotlight works is absolutely indispensable, but that doesn't leave me in a place where my workspace is cleaner and easier to navigate than if they just gave me Norton Commander along with it.

Re: We need to document macOS

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Let me klingon to the thread with this: It's 2017 and I still can't use the keyboard to copy and paste from and to a Windows command line window...

Ctrl C and Ctrl V works in Windows 10 command prompt.

Also if you're not quite ready to kill yourself while using the windows command prompt. Enjoy a powershell.

Re: We need to document macOS

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How to charge you Magic Trackpad: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205160 Also included in paper documentation in the box.

There's also a low battery notification that says something like 'plugin a Lighting cable to charge'

Re: We need to document macOS

#96

No. It's Apple who needs to do that. This isn't a free software project - lack of documentation is an argument for abandoning the platform, not for starting a community project of doing work for Apple for free.

I guess the problem is that Apple don't need to do it; lots of people would like them to do it, and maybe they should do it, but it's not hurting their bottom line much so they can just continue as they are. Unless a whole heap of customers suddenly decide to buy different laptops instead over it, but I'd not be betting on that.

Re: We need to document macOS

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OT a bit but I think still related. 8 years ago when I switch to OSX I was furious with finder. Tiny window, no hierarchical browsing and the search just doesn't do shit that is useful. I normally default to locate or find now so much that I was using it the other day I was reminded about how much it sucked. It's literally identical (aside from tags and labels) to what it was forever ago and is a terrible paradigm. I…

It probably depends on a personal workflow, but for me, Finder works perfectly, and I really miss it on Linux. I have a reasonably organized directory structure, and I navigate and do basic tasks like copying mostly using just a keyboard. I remember directory names and I just start typing their names and the Finder goes to them (actually, most file managers have this feature). Occasionally, I do 'ls | grep' or 'find'…

I agree. Years ago Finder left much to be desired, but with all the updates of the last few revisions I'm not left wanting for anything.

People complaining about searching likely haven't tried smart searches, it's awesome.

Can anyone specifically call out what their issues are with Finder besides "it sucks"? I really feel that I'm missing something here.

Re: We need to document macOS

#98
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OT a bit but I think still related. 8 years ago when I switch to OSX I was furious with finder. Tiny window, no hierarchical browsing and the search just doesn't do shit that is useful. I normally default to locate or find now so much that I was using it the other day I was reminded about how much it sucked. It's literally identical (aside from tags and labels) to what it was forever ago and is a terrible paradigm. I…

Ugh, finder is shit. I've set my default to list view a million times only to see a bunch of folder icons on my screen everytime I double click a directory. I enjoy living in terminal. I'm very mediocre with both find and grep but I'm getting better and it makes me feel cool ;-), heh.

FWIW, I've never had that issue. Are you aware it sets the view type for each folder? It makes sense if you want to view different files in different ways. If you want to set all views to list system wide, you can set list as default in the view menu. Depending how you've set other folders you may need to nuke view settings, by it sounds like that won't be an issue for you. Spend a minute to learn how your tools work man. https://howchoo.com/g/mzuxyjqyzmy/how-to-set-the-view-option...

Re: We need to document macOS

#99

When it's documented it cannot be changed as easily, so it's often better to not document everything in detail.

On the contrary, that makes documentation especially important so you can figure out if some changed behavior is a bug, a mistake on the user's side, or intended.

Re: We need to document macOS

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Ctrl C and Ctrl V works in Windows 10 command prompt.

Also if you're not quite ready to kill yourself while using the windows command prompt. Enjoy a powershell.

You'd probably enjoy Cmder[1]. Everything works really nicely, it supports multiple tabs, and you can download a version that includes most of the Unix commands you know and love.

[1] http://cmder.net/

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