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YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by pmlnr »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #45
jacobr wrote: post #2

Also see this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/896358097320636416 > Ironically, by deleting years old opposition channels YouTube is doing more damage to Syrian history than ISIS could ever hope to achieve > Also gone are the dozens of playlists of videos from Syria I created, including dozens of chemical attacks in playlists by date > Keep in mind in many cases these are the only copies of the…

That is a little insane... Makes me wish there was some sort of website that archived specific YouTube videos marked as historical or criminal evidence or some sort of qualification, as long as they don't abuse copyright just to make sure if places like YouTube delete them they can remain. Or a service that uploads to multiple video streaming sources at once (though I imagine these might violate the TOS of YouTube fo…

> Makes me wish there was some sort of website that archived specific YouTube videos marked as historical or criminal evidence or some sort of qualification

Make one. Add it as warrior project to archive team; save them and re-upload them if they are deleted.

Unfortunately we all need to participate, because https://medium.com/message/never-trust-a-corporation-to-do-a...

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Post by immanuel_huel »

This was to be expected. All history books are written this way. History books are government propaganda. History books do not document the truth. History lessons are nothing but propaganda. So history at school is nothing but learning government propaganda.

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Post by geocar »

dom0 wrote: post #171
geocar wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. An alternative is to classify Google as a common carrier, exempting them from the DMCA, but preventing them from censoring or even throttling traffic, however given their business model is around sponsorship, it is unclear how to also protect the advertisers' interests. Trying to get government shackles onto Google simply seems too tricky; It seems much easier to simply run Google with tax dollars and no adverti…

Google and Facebook are bigger than a single country now.

This is a strange way to define "bigger".

Google and Facebook combined have a total market cap (sum of all shares) is around 1.2 trillion dollars, which would represent only a 5% increase in tax revenue for America to simply buy all the shares.

However, the Government doesn't need to turn a profit: Google and Facebook combined spend only around $200 million dollars per year on R&D and operating expenses, which would be a rounding error on the tax budget.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by nnq »

Maybe people should get their shit together and realize that true free speech include allowing videos that seek to recruit people into despicable organizations be available! Yeah, even Hitler had a right to say what he thought and it'a a good thing he had it, despite the consequences that ensued.

The problem that needs to be solved is how to educate people into not being lured into those organization DESPITE having access to those materials... This kind of censorship is just as STUPID as banning drugs like heroin and cocaine (instead of just making them unavailable to children, or without a "license") or the "war on drugs".

Imho the problem comes from the fact that corporations try to hard to be "democratic" about things and "please the majority". But this is not a good idea: sometimes the majority of 99% is against freedom, and they are wrong, despite being the 99%. And the majority should be opposed and freedom protected even when the cost is someone's blood. For me personally, there are these words from my native country's national anthem: "life in freedom or death [for all]"... and I will sure as hell fight, die or kill for them.

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Post by Anagmate »

I feel like YouTube uses its monopoly to create a walled garden focused on (in their own words) advertiser-friendly content.

The thing is, it makes perfect sense from their side - they will make people angry, but why would they bother if those people can't go anywhere else?

I'm starting to feel that a competitor providing the same quality of service while allowing all kinds of videos has a chance to succeed. It's OK to have both child videos, porn and Syrian documentation, as long as you can filter - maybe have some sort of a "curiosity" slider that filters child content on one side, YouTube content in the middle and all content to the other side. Also some category toggles,... If you're unhappy with the current selection, just take a few minutes of your time and change your preferences.

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Post by ss248 »

nnq wrote: post #267

Maybe people should get their shit together and realize that true free speech include allowing videos that seek to recruit people into despicable organizations be available! Yeah, even Hitler had a right to say what he thought and it'a a good thing he had it, despite the consequences that ensued. The problem that needs to be solved is how to educate people into not being lured into those organization DESPITE having a…

You are right, but i don't think that's actually possible. It's not easy to educate general population. How would you teach critical thinking, if most people just don't want to?

Current solution is to just babysit general population by essentially censoring information.

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Post by noiv »

nnq wrote: post #267

Maybe people should get their shit together and realize that true free speech include allowing videos that seek to recruit people into despicable organizations be available! Yeah, even Hitler had a right to say what he thought and it'a a good thing he had it, despite the consequences that ensued. The problem that needs to be solved is how to educate people into not being lured into those organization DESPITE having a…

It seems to me history stays in replay until we eventually understand freedom is more important than whatever risks are attached.
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