In case it's not already apparent, there's a business opportunity here for someone to automate "set up an S3 bucket and host videos in it" as an app that uses an API key, so that you simply provide the key to the app and it manages your video collection, gives you a UX to it, and charges you a fee per month.
YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
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Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Go start your own business if you disagree" seems like a middlebrow dismissal unless you're actually offering to fund the endeavor.
It's a dismissal of the idea that we need to appeal to an authority to solve every problem we see without acknowledging that there are very real ways that the civil society can solve problems without the use of government force and the myriad of unintended consequences that go along with it. There are countless guides on the Internet for writing software that can create blogs, host pictures, videos, and other content…
But people have legitimate desires as consumers without necessarily wanting to be competitors, and without necessarily waiting for the market to evolve an alternative. You seem like a smart person, surely you know that while other platforms besides Youtube exist the network effects the obtain on a large platform have huge commercial value.
I get that you don't like government force and the unintended consequences that often follow from the creation of laws, but you seem oblivious to the fact that markets have externalities and problems of their own, and are not by themselves sufficient for the operation of a society.
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#123Also see this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/896358097320636416 > Ironically, by deleting years old opposition channels YouTube is doing more damage to Syrian history than ISIS could ever hope to achieve > Also gone are the dozens of playlists of videos from Syria I created, including dozens of chemical attacks in playlists by date > Keep in mind in many cases these are the only copies of the…
That is a little insane... Makes me wish there was some sort of website that archived specific YouTube videos marked as historical or criminal evidence or some sort of qualification, as long as they don't abuse copyright just to make sure if places like YouTube delete them they can remain. Or a service that uploads to multiple video streaming sources at once (though I imagine these might violate the TOS of YouTube fo…
An YouTube clone is expensive. TPB only hosts simple HTML pages (they no longer have torrent files, and even those were just a few KBs), not files with hundreds of MBs or more.
As others said, the Internet Archive may be a good option for these videos. I wouldn't mind writing a system for backing them up to archive.org, but I'm not sure how would I detect them. Marking those videos requires the user to know they should be marked, which just moves the question to how they would know.
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
And, Government has right to break up monopolies. I now fully support breaking up Google, Amazon, Facebook and Microsoft; may be Apple. Executives at publicly traded companies have no right to enforce their individual political views as company policies. They are not privately held companies, they are public companies who are held at higher standards of equal treatment to all. What if Bic and Mead said you can't writ…
>I now fully support breaking up Google, Amazon, Facebook and Microsoft; may be Apple. OTOH, only their shitloads of money allow them to resist government demands to hack a user's phone or hand over users' data in their cloud. Every cloud has a silver lining.
Microsoft, Google, Facebook and Apple were all participants in the NSA's PRISM surveillance program that Edward Snowden disclosed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)#M...
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Appealing to government authority every time some business does something you don't like should make your list of "so flawed" solutions. 1. No one said it was, but it's their business. We live in a society that allows you to start up your own business in days if you don't like the offering of another private business. Giving up immediately and suggesting that the wielder of force in the society (government) jump in a…
Proposing a legal change isn't appealing to government authority. It's asserting that we should formalize a social attitude into a rule. Complaining about government as paternalistic intervenor ignores the right of people to shape government to work on their behalf, which is the reason they are instituted to begin with. So what that society 'allows' you to start up your own business? The economic and logistical barri…
The fact that this is being down voted is such a shame. It's a good addition to the discussion and it shouldn't be down voted just because one does not agree with it politically.
"People have every right to set general standards for how they want business to be conducted and promulgate those standards by law."
I think that this in particular is a very important insight with regards to the accountability of multinational corporations. In this case government acts as a way of stipulating conditions of common decency.
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#126Also see this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/896358097320636416 > Ironically, by deleting years old opposition channels YouTube is doing more damage to Syrian history than ISIS could ever hope to achieve > Also gone are the dozens of playlists of videos from Syria I created, including dozens of chemical attacks in playlists by date > Keep in mind in many cases these are the only copies of the…
That is a little insane... Makes me wish there was some sort of website that archived specific YouTube videos marked as historical or criminal evidence or some sort of qualification, as long as they don't abuse copyright just to make sure if places like YouTube delete them they can remain. Or a service that uploads to multiple video streaming sources at once (though I imagine these might violate the TOS of YouTube fo…
Not to pick on you because this seems to be a popular opinion but I would just like to point out the insanity of your what you just wrote.
"as long as they don't abuse copyright"
Would we delete videos of the liberation of concentration camps if there was Nickelback music playing in the background? This just demonstrates how successful media companies have been in distorting the true purpose of copyright laws: to promote science, art, and culture for the public's benefit. It does not exist for fairness or personal gain. Copyright laws should be changed to better reflect this. Nobody should be able to silence any information that has a public benefit.
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Correct. You could also save it to Google Drive or other "Cloud Backup" solutions like OneDrive/Dropbox But I guess hindsight is 20/20, and I would probably have trusted YT more than I should
If you submit a video to google drive and start giving people links then it will be very promptly disabled with a warning that if you want to share it you need to upload it to youtube. Same with OneDrive/Dropbox. It's fine to share with a few people, but go into hundreds and it gets quickly shut down.
Yes, don't share it from those, but you can upload to both
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#128Youtube's response regarding one of these videos documenting abuses (emphasis mine): > "we've determined that your video does violate our Community Guidelines and have upheld our original decision. We appreciate your understanding ." Can someone explain to me why corporations, when interacting with customers regarding complaints/appeals, seem to have "don't forget to add insult to injury" as one of their motto more o…
If I remember correctly, the exact same message was delivered to Jordan Peterson a couple of weeks ago or so, before he sat down with the google memo guy. He was in the middle of a bible lecture series, and Google banned his account, and sent the exact same "we've determined that your video does violate our Community Guidelines and have upheld our original decision. We appreciate your understanding." message. It seem…
Google message to Jordan Peterson was not "Stop making sense, we have an agenda to pass" ?
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think they're making a bad business decision No, that's not what people arguing for a law think, and if you don't understand that, you can't make an effective argument rebutting their position. The implied position is that Google is doing something bad for society , even if it's good for business. You may disagree that this is bad for society, or that even if it is, it's still Google's prerogative, but you sho…
You ignored the first part of my post where I said: post elsewhere rather than appealing to government authority. My last statement was suggesting a better idea in a free society than to try to bit-by-bit destroy that free society with yet more overpowering, overintrusive government. The implied position is that Google is doing something bad for society That completely doesn't compute. Google isn't in business to mak…
Eric Schmidt disagrees with you: "In general, I think our mission is to use technology to really change the world for the better."
But anyway, you keep trying to argue with me, while I'm only making the point that you should understand the argument. I'm not sure if you're unwilling to try, but in any case I'm not interested.
I actually sympathize with the position that we shouldn't have laws requiring Google to host this content, by the way.
Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'
#130And, come to think they had me convinced that this was not going to happen for few decades. I think YouTube went down pretty fast and without fight. The ideological takeover of Facebook and Twitter raged on for few years. I think YouTube was taken over literally overnight. I remember being appreciative of YouTube just a few days back. Guess, time to cancel my $15 Youtube Red Family membership. Ugh, I really hate ads…
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