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YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by sirtaj »

crusso wrote: post #88
yeukhon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, absolutely! We solved the problem! No really, seriously, this idea is so flawed. * You don't like the government? Move or start your own government! * You don't like your house? Rebuild it or buy another house! * You don't like the way Earth is being run? Move or RIP! * You don't like the way the school is being run? Move to another town or build your own school! * You don't like the fact oil is so expensive? Dr…

Appealing to government authority every time some business does something you don't like should make your list of "so flawed" solutions. 1. No one said it was, but it's their business. We live in a society that allows you to start up your own business in days if you don't like the offering of another private business. Giving up immediately and suggesting that the wielder of force in the society (government) jump in a…

It's a common response even here on HN when companies behave contrary to the social good - "it's their job to make their investors profit while working within the law. Don't like it? Change the law." Well, don't be surprised when they do. Why complain now?

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by jMyles »

crusso wrote: post #100
icebraining wrote: post #64

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If you think they're making a bad business decision No, that's not what people arguing for a law think, and if you don't understand that, you can't make an effective argument rebutting their position. The implied position is that Google is doing something bad for society , even if it's good for business. You may disagree that this is bad for society, or that even if it is, it's still Google's prerogative, but you sho…

You ignored the first part of my post where I said: post elsewhere rather than appealing to government authority. My last statement was suggesting a better idea in a free society than to try to bit-by-bit destroy that free society with yet more overpowering, overintrusive government. The implied position is that Google is doing something bad for society That completely doesn't compute. Google isn't in business to mak…

I wholeheartedly share your "don't run to government" sentiment.

However, this sentiment bugs me:

> That completely doesn't compute. Google isn't in business to make things better for society.

If we're going to refrain from seeking the violence of state intervention when actors do things we don't like, don't we then have to count on business (and more generally, the market) to do things that we do like?

Yes, I want Google to be in business to make things better for society. I'll go even further: I want Google to position itself so that its profit depends on it doing good for society. I was proud of Google when it aligned things this way re: VP8 / webm.

If the violence inherent in the state is undesirable - and I agree that it is - then we need to build a society in which the free market selects for societal good.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by anigbrowl »

crusso wrote: post #88
yeukhon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, absolutely! We solved the problem! No really, seriously, this idea is so flawed. * You don't like the government? Move or start your own government! * You don't like your house? Rebuild it or buy another house! * You don't like the way Earth is being run? Move or RIP! * You don't like the way the school is being run? Move to another town or build your own school! * You don't like the fact oil is so expensive? Dr…

Appealing to government authority every time some business does something you don't like should make your list of "so flawed" solutions. 1. No one said it was, but it's their business. We live in a society that allows you to start up your own business in days if you don't like the offering of another private business. Giving up immediately and suggesting that the wielder of force in the society (government) jump in a…

Proposing a legal change isn't appealing to government authority. It's asserting that we should formalize a social attitude into a rule. Complaining about government as paternalistic intervenor ignores the right of people to shape government to work on their behalf, which is the reason they are instituted to begin with.

So what that society 'allows' you to start up your own business? The economic and logistical barriers to doing so in competition with a monopolistic are significant, and overcoming anticompetitive tactics of incumbents is horrifically wasteful. People have every right to set general standards for how they want business to be conducted and promulgate those standards by law.

Rather than warding off government as some remote and malign force, we should be seeking to make the process of governance more responsive to the public interest. The stability and consistency that allows markets to operate is government's primary product.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by arca_vorago »

pmoriarty wrote: post #81
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #60

And, come to think they had me convinced that this was not going to happen for few decades. I think YouTube went down pretty fast and without fight. The ideological takeover of Facebook and Twitter raged on for few years. I think YouTube was taken over literally overnight. I remember being appreciative of YouTube just a few days back. Guess, time to cancel my $15 Youtube Red Family membership. Ugh, I really hate ads…

"I really hate ads on YouTube." Just use youtube-dl and you'll never see any ads.

May I also suggest mpsyt(mps-youtube). GPL cli YouTube interface that will open your player of choice. I hardly use the web interface anymore.

I wish goblin would take off.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by quanticle »

crusso wrote: post #88
yeukhon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, absolutely! We solved the problem! No really, seriously, this idea is so flawed. * You don't like the government? Move or start your own government! * You don't like your house? Rebuild it or buy another house! * You don't like the way Earth is being run? Move or RIP! * You don't like the way the school is being run? Move to another town or build your own school! * You don't like the fact oil is so expensive? Dr…

Appealing to government authority every time some business does something you don't like should make your list of "so flawed" solutions. 1. No one said it was, but it's their business. We live in a society that allows you to start up your own business in days if you don't like the offering of another private business. Giving up immediately and suggesting that the wielder of force in the society (government) jump in a…

The problem is that YouTube is a monopoly in online video. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if there were other viable providers for online video hosting. However, there aren't. So we're down to either complaining about YouTube blocking videos where it shouldn't or defending YouTube on the grounds that they're a private corporation and they have the right to host or not host whatever they please.

Moreover, I've noticed a certain ideological favoritism on Hacker News towards Google, Facebook, etc. I strongly suspect that if it weren't YouTube, but rather Comcast that was filtering these videos, the community's reaction would be different.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by emilsedgh »

crusso wrote: post #63
emilsedgh wrote: post #20

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Well almost everything we use these days belongs to a private organization. And we're fully subject to their whims. Something is wrong about that.

And yet, without those private organizations and the free markets that allowed them to thrive - the whole notion of having all that is preserved online by them would be utterly unimaginable. The internet as we know it, capable of passing all this bandwidth to individuals around the world wouldn't exist. At best, it would still be a toy in government labs and academia like it was before it was commercialized.

I'm not against privatizing internet. I'm sure it wouldn't have been this useful if it wasn't for private companies.

I'm just saying the notion that private companies (on the internet or not) have almost zero responsibility and we're subject to their whim is wrong.

I guess that's where the rule of law is supposed to enter the discussion.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by pmoriarty »

arca_vorago wrote: post #114
pmoriarty wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really hate ads on YouTube." Just use youtube-dl and you'll never see any ads.

May I also suggest mpsyt(mps-youtube). GPL cli YouTube interface that will open your player of choice. I hardly use the web interface anymore. I wish goblin would take off.

What's goblin?

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by detaro »

arca_vorago wrote: post #114
pmoriarty wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really hate ads on YouTube." Just use youtube-dl and you'll never see any ads.

May I also suggest mpsyt(mps-youtube). GPL cli YouTube interface that will open your player of choice. I hardly use the web interface anymore. I wish goblin would take off.

Do you mean https://mediagoblin.org/, or something else?
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