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Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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"....but it’s easy to see why they might feel as if no one in Washington is living their lives...." As an non-American I personally think this is why large number of working class voted for Trump, and something Clinton either missed or did not give importance to.

One could say that about the whole article. The article sounds like it was full of people who I know (in the suburbs of a rust belt city), and other people from the small town where I grew up.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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>Some are rooted, embedded in their communities; and some are trapped — because housing is unaffordable where the better paying jobs are. And the jobs that are high paying are not the jobs they built their lives on. There's some texture and nuance to this statement. I remember on NPR, they interviewed a lady whom mentioned similar sentiments; her and her husband had built a family, worked in the blue-collar industry…

Strict universal nomadism is incompatible with agricultural development. Most of human existence has been nomadic, but the recent default for ~10000 years has been sedentary (non-migratory) mainly because of agriculture. And we've replicated the "farmer schedule" in most all subsequent careers.

The rise of interdisciplinary personalities (or at least recognizing this is a thing) might just be a new old thing: the modern version of a nomad who had to become near expert at a wide variety of things for survival as well as intellectual stimulation.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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post #43

I wonder how long it will take for this thought to fade from Steve's mind once he returns to SV. It's easy for people come to these realizations after getting outside of their comfort zone but just as easily return to the status quo. I think one of the biggest myths about tech in general is that it's here to help people. It's really not. It's job is to remove barriers to make workflows more efficient, typically to th…

But this is a good thing. In our Delhi office, each elevator has an attendant who's sole job is to push the button of the floor you want. This means less space in the lift for passengers, and lifts being taken out of commission because there's nobody to push the button. Removing this job (by having the technology to allow passengers to select their floor themselves) means improvement for the users. The same applies t…

Self-service is a mixed bag. Yes, I like ATMs and Netflix (or Redbox). But I hate self-service at grocery stores especially if I'm buying produce etc. I'm not a big fan at home improvement stores much of the time either.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I see that I didn't understand your comment actually, I agree. Privation is a rural/urban problem. I'm not sure you read my entire comment. As I said toward the bottom, income inequality is a serious concern to me. I'm from a rural community and the individual struggles I see there are very upsetting. But most people I talk to in tech are not in a bubble. They are aware of how hard it must be for people and wan…

I don't think it's the two sides that are the problem. They're symptoms of multiple problems. The voting system itself created a duopoly. One side of that duopoly has moved to extremes over the last 30+ years and dragged the other side with it. We need a way out of the two party situation.

The US has no extreme in the mainstream political left - Clinton, Obama, even Sanders are no more extreme than Macron or Blair. You don't even have a Corbyn figure, let alone someone like Maduro.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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No need to leave SF to escape the tech bubble and encounter those being left behind. Look closer.

Leaving SF means that the cultural and societal environment is different. Going to places like these means that the technology, money, hope, and jobs are physically far away and beyond livable reach; places where people wonder why anyone would ever live in SF.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I see that I didn't understand your comment actually, I agree. Privation is a rural/urban problem. I'm not sure you read my entire comment. As I said toward the bottom, income inequality is a serious concern to me. I'm from a rural community and the individual struggles I see there are very upsetting. But most people I talk to in tech are not in a bubble. They are aware of how hard it must be for people and wan…

I don't think it's the two sides that are the problem. They're symptoms of multiple problems. The voting system itself created a duopoly. One side of that duopoly has moved to extremes over the last 30+ years and dragged the other side with it. We need a way out of the two party situation.

> One side of that duopoly has moved to extremes over the last 30+ years and dragged the other side with it.

Actually, I think the tactical move to the center of the Democratic Party (which didn't start with Bill Clinton, but his nomination was a pivotal moment in it) is he real key factor in the sharp rightward shift of the Overton Window that really led to the extremist takeover of the Republican Party, which has been increasingly radicalized.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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>Some are rooted, embedded in their communities; and some are trapped — because housing is unaffordable where the better paying jobs are. And the jobs that are high paying are not the jobs they built their lives on. There's some texture and nuance to this statement. I remember on NPR, they interviewed a lady whom mentioned similar sentiments; her and her husband had built a family, worked in the blue-collar industry…

Research backs you up- people are less willing to move than in the past. In the case of this lady though, I can understand moving being a really bad & undesirable option if you're only a few years away from retirement. That's not the best time to buy a new more expensive house in a more happening locale.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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I can't take this kind of piece seriously anymore. The decrying of an out of touch elite is a cliche. This problem isn't getting any better because 1 it's a hard problem and 2 political gridlock keeps us from modernizing economic policy one way or another. Most the people in the tech bubble I know are keenly aware of their relative advantage. They want something done about income inequality. A lack of awareness is no…

It feels extremely cynical to me. How can you not open your eyes? Every time I visit SF I see people who are so obviously going through hard times. It's not only the people living a pastoral fantasy sipping phosphates at the soda jerk who are worth thinking about.

Our communities are collectively organized to separate the haves from the have-nots. Capital acts as a gravity well so the wealthy tend to cluster together, and people trying to access their capital do everything they can to make the lives of those with capital easier. I can definitely see how it would be easy to become out of touch if you live in a wealthy community where the city and state affords you extra protection, services are organized around your needs, and most people you talk to are either in your employ or want to be. Eventually the wealthy begin to distrust the poor and the system becomes self-perpetuating.

This community organization problem stems from poor urban planning, suburbia, and what Jane Jacobs called the "Radiant Garden City". I'm still trying to tie all the pieces together for my own understanding but I know the solution is in there somewhere. There's an interesting movement called StrongTowns that elucidates this problem much better than I ever could.

Re: Annual note to self: most of the world exists outside the tech bubble

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post #43

I wonder how long it will take for this thought to fade from Steve's mind once he returns to SV. It's easy for people come to these realizations after getting outside of their comfort zone but just as easily return to the status quo. I think one of the biggest myths about tech in general is that it's here to help people. It's really not. It's job is to remove barriers to make workflows more efficient, typically to th…

But this is a good thing. In our Delhi office, each elevator has an attendant who's sole job is to push the button of the floor you want. This means less space in the lift for passengers, and lifts being taken out of commission because there's nobody to push the button. Removing this job (by having the technology to allow passengers to select their floor themselves) means improvement for the users. The same applies t…

>We deal with those issues by education (so people can do better jobs that aren't automated), and social safety nets.

However, there really are no social safety nets and the US continues to decrease investments in education year after year. Additionally, I rarely hear of companies reinvesting that money into educating their employees or the community.

>If a robot can do your job, it's a terrible job.

This is a bit of a stretch. Some people care more about efficiency, which it seems is the case with yourself. Others value service more and robots have yet to match the service quality of a human.

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