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Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

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Re: Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

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Post by CamperBob »

snth wrote: post #96
CamperBob wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And of course we all know that Republicans are all about the blunt-force, black-and-white simple-minded thinking, as opposed to subtle, sophisticated, and nuance-loving Democrats. Repudiate the Tea Party, Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, et al., and we can talk.

And you've come along to illustrate his point!

His point, made through sarcasm, was that the perception of Republicans among thinking people is currently on the level of "recently-thawed Neanderthals." The modern-day GOP has justly earned this derision by pandering to the religious right.

It is well past time for the Big Tent to split, because I, for one, would like to be known as a conservative again.

Re: Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

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Post by gridspy »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #86
gridspy wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That other 90% doesn't drop off the planet. It goes to a company that splits it into profit and expense. Both are spent by different people, but all the cash goes back into the economy. The profits might be spent on luxuries, the costs on materials. Once again it split up. Every time a small fraction goes to the government, or to Henry Ford. His point is that he wants all business in America to be vibrant, not just h…

The other 90% drops off Ford's balance sheet. The fact that it's spent elsewhere in the economy does not help Ford. Don't repeat platitudes, build a model. I.e., make up plausible numbers and actually do the math . You'll see that without making wildly ridiculous assumptions, it's just a net loss for Ford.

Okay, so lets pretend that you are right about vanishing money. You are failing to take into account the productivity gains you get from proper rest.

1) Tired workers make costly mistakes, often countering any extra production they may have made 2) Tired workers work more slowly 3) Tired workers miss opportunities to save time through better work methods

Reducing hours towards 32hours /week will usually net you more produtivity per week. Increasing past this will give you temporary improvements, but they won't last beyond a couple of weeks.

Not to mention - the more Ford pays per hour, the better the quality of the workers he attracts.

Re: Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

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Post by scotty79 »

rjurney wrote: post #95
scotty79 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so income tripled from 15 to 45. How about purchasing power of that income? How much housing could you buy for that income back then an now? How many children could you raise back then and now for that income? How does tripling even compare to increase in efficiency of industrial and agricultural production? "Losing farm" is impossible now?

Why don't you reply with some data to have an informed conversation, I'm not your query engine. Know how to google?

I'm not asking you questions. I'm sharing my questions with you. If you don't want answers to those questions then don't seek them.

Re: Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

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Post by stretchwithme »

gaius wrote: post #81
stretchwithme wrote: post #79

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I don't know when exactly it ended but I'm quite certain there was little time to continue experimenting with socialist schemes when one is under attack. Industry needed to be able to function in order to produce everything required to win. And, yes, war is NOT good for the economy or anything else, other than repelling invaders. When all your shit's blown up, you ain't got shit. I figure that without the wars of the…

Well, yes and no. The position the US found itself in after WW2 was that all its rivals (Britain, Germany, Russia, Japan) had been devastated, and all its factories were fully intact and geared up for mass production. Not such a big leap from tanks to construction machinery, jeeps to cars, bombers to airliners. The Marshall plan was about kickstarting export markets, not altruism. So on the one hand, you are right, w…

Yes, one is better off when you win.

We are told the Marshall Plan worked wonders. But interestingly, two countries that were both enemies ended up with very successful economies. And both were bombed pretty hard at the end of the war.

Which makes me think that a nation's culture and the freedom its citizens have to take risks and benefit from doing so are more important than handouts. But you could probably guess I was already pretty biased in that direction.

Re: Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

#105

Post by snth »

CamperBob wrote: post #101
snth wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you've come along to illustrate his point!

His point, made through sarcasm, was that the perception of Republicans among thinking people is currently on the level of "recently-thawed Neanderthals." The modern-day GOP has justly earned this derision by pandering to the religious right. It is well past time for the Big Tent to split, because I, for one, would like to be known as a conservative again.

I honestly hope that most "thinking people" look poorly upon fanatics of either party, but I hope you can concede that there are "thinking people" among both. The Democratic party just panders to different special-interest groups.

Re: Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

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Post by crpatino »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #86
gridspy wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That other 90% doesn't drop off the planet. It goes to a company that splits it into profit and expense. Both are spent by different people, but all the cash goes back into the economy. The profits might be spent on luxuries, the costs on materials. Once again it split up. Every time a small fraction goes to the government, or to Henry Ford. His point is that he wants all business in America to be vibrant, not just h…

The other 90% drops off Ford's balance sheet. The fact that it's spent elsewhere in the economy does not help Ford. Don't repeat platitudes, build a model. I.e., make up plausible numbers and actually do the math . You'll see that without making wildly ridiculous assumptions, it's just a net loss for Ford.

Yes, great plan!!! Make Ford's employee never expend a penny in anything but Ford's products. Soon enough, Ford will have all the money and his employees will be eating tires and dressing in scrap metal because the rest of the economy collapsed.

Or, may I guess, most of the people that buys Ford's cars does not work directly for Ford.

Re: Henry Ford: Why I Favor Five Days' Work With Six Days' Pay

#107

Post by rjurney »

scotty79 wrote: post #103
rjurney wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you reply with some data to have an informed conversation, I'm not your query engine. Know how to google?

I'm not asking you questions. I'm sharing my questions with you. If you don't want answers to those questions then don't seek them.

You're too lazy to actually seek answers and participate. Conversation done ;)
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