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Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by such_a_casual » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:40 PM UTC

mustacheemperor wrote: post #63

such_a_casual wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence does. Maybe you should learn the difference between just calling someone a name and providing evidence that their character is shit.

There are many alternative words available to describe someone of poor character. Words that are not homophobic slurs would be less prone to misinterpretation too. You may have presented evidence about Dan's character but your use of language was mostly informative about yours.

Assuming someone is a homophobe because they use the word faggot is fucking ignorant.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by skymt » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:40 PM UTC

gremlinsinc wrote: post #13

Wonder if we could create a git in the blockchain... where DMCA just can't exist/happen since there's no central authority to ask to take stuff down...

Copyright law doesn't care what technology you use to store and distribute material. If you have a blockchain that contains unauthorized copyrighted material, any host participating in that network would be legally subject to DMCA requests by the copyright holder. What would the defense look like in court, anyway? "We can't stop illegally distributing the plaintiff's content because that would break the chain?" In effect it would just be a spectacularly inefficient distributed storage system.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by maigret » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:40 PM UTC

romanovcode wrote: post #16

ehxcaet wrote: post #6

What's to stop people from forking off that list and transitioning to another one? Like what if ad blockers just switched to use EasyList2 instead of EasyList?

As long as code is hosted in U.S. (GitHub) the cat and mouse game will continue. If you host your repo in some other country that does not care about U.S. DMCA then it should be fine.

Serious question: what does “hosted” means with a distributed system or repo? Ok, on Github you have the PRs and issues, but in the end it’s just one copy of the repo.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by brador » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:41 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #5

rnhmjoj wrote: post #2

Can't we host EasyList somewhere safer?

International safe zone or something distributed like IPFS?

Blockchain would be great for this.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by digital_trench » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:42 PM UTC

njharman wrote: post #53

krisdol wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually two or three times because fuck sites who hijack browser history because I scroll a little too far

That's what open in new tab is for. Close tab is way better than back. Easier, more consistent and faster.

Use the mouse wheel/middle button. Will open a new tab when you click on a link and will close a tab when you click on the tab. This changed my life.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:42 PM UTC

xigency wrote: post #54

richardknop wrote: post #4

There has been a growing trend of websites that will ask me to either: a) whitelist their site in my adblocker b) or subscribe to their monthly subscription and keep reading their site with adblocker

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this alternative: disable JavaScript. It's fairly easy in any browser to create a list of websites to ignore JavaScript on.

It only works for some sites.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by Klathmon » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:43 PM UTC

krisdol wrote: post #24

aphextron wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which results every single time in choosing option C: the browser back button.

Usually two or three times because fuck sites who hijack browser history because I scroll a little too far

That's most likely a well known issue WITH adblock, not the site.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by loeg » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:43 PM UTC

CWuestefeld wrote: post #43

such_a_casual wrote: post #37

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homophobic or not, name-calling does nothing to advance the conversation.

Just flag the troll and move on. :-(

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by delegate » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:44 PM UTC

As I understand they're using copyright laws not to prevent me from copying content, but to preventing me from not consuming content.

In other words, the copyright law is used to force content consumption.

Re: Ad blocking is under attack

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Post by chad-autry » Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 3:45 PM UTC

anilgulecha wrote: post #32

It was admiral that did this: https://blog.getadmiral.com/dmca-easylist-adblock-copyright-... They even clearly state they used the only tool available to them, DCMA. From all the current summaries on this, DMCA does not apply to a line entry in easylist. A domain can be trademarked. This should be added back in. And if github cannot standup to DMCA abuse, then well, easylist and all other developers should be giving…

From what I can tell, the DMCA does apply (sort of)

Admiral seems to be a paywall server basically. If blocking their domain gave access to paywalled content, then the DMCA seems to apply http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/circumventing-copyright-cont...

However, that defense is a bit flimsy to me since the fall back to having the paywall blocked could/should be a "Paywall blocked, please disable your addblocker to gain access to our content" msg.

Anyhow, that is immaterial because so long as they don't actually serve adds, Easylist could/would have removed the line no problem. Admiral should have just said "Our domain doesn't serve adds, we work on paid content access" and they would have been removed without all this hassle.