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Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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Relevant: Dan Carlin just came out with a new episode of Hardcore History called "The Celtic Holocaust," which deals with the subject of the Roman subjugation of Gaul and the Celtic people. http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-60-the-cel...

I tend to ignore people who call something a Holocaust that wasn't the actual Holocaust.

I agree. The term holocaust is more contemporary. Back in roman times enslavement and extermination seems to have been relatively common.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to ignore people who call something a Holocaust that wasn't the actual Holocaust.

I agree. The term holocaust is more contemporary. Back in roman times enslavement and extermination seems to have been relatively common.

[Disclaimer: I've only listened to the first chunk of the episode. It's 6 hours long, and I have other things to do with my brain]

As far as I can tell, you've hit on exactly the distinction he's trying to make in the episode. There's a running theme of highlighting the difference in attitude towards war/death from the Romans to the modern era, especially with respect to things like civilian extermination.

The name might be unfortunate, but he's pretty open about acknowledging that it's an intentional juxtaposition.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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post #19

Relevant: Dan Carlin just came out with a new episode of Hardcore History called "The Celtic Holocaust," which deals with the subject of the Roman subjugation of Gaul and the Celtic people. http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-60-the-cel...

I tend to ignore people who call something a Holocaust that wasn't the actual Holocaust.

You are missing out on a lot if you choose to ignore Dan Carlin.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. The term holocaust is more contemporary. Back in roman times enslavement and extermination seems to have been relatively common.

[Disclaimer: I've only listened to the first chunk of the episode. It's 6 hours long, and I have other things to do with my brain] As far as I can tell, you've hit on exactly the distinction he's trying to make in the episode. There's a running theme of highlighting the difference in attitude towards war/death from the Romans to the modern era, especially with respect to things like civilian extermination. The name m…

I have never heard of Dan Carlin and it might be an intentional juxtaposition, but the title feels like clickbait.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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The Romans weren't afraid to win wars by attrition. Some of their generals were definitely good but they could just swarm any opposing force with highly disciplined, well armed troops.

Hannibal crushed the Romans several times, it didn't matter. Carthage still got wiped off the map.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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If the numbers are true, Genghis Khan killed more people in a few decades than the Romans did in a thousand years. It's estimated that 15M died in the Mongols' five-year invasion of central Asia. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/2... Rome used to turn the defeated tribes into slaves (though it was not a permanent status) or tax-paying citizens.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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post #19

Relevant: Dan Carlin just came out with a new episode of Hardcore History called "The Celtic Holocaust," which deals with the subject of the Roman subjugation of Gaul and the Celtic people. http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-60-the-cel...

I tend to ignore people who call something a Holocaust that wasn't the actual Holocaust.

I tend to ignore people who think the Jews were the only victims of mass genocide in history.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Disclaimer: I've only listened to the first chunk of the episode. It's 6 hours long, and I have other things to do with my brain] As far as I can tell, you've hit on exactly the distinction he's trying to make in the episode. There's a running theme of highlighting the difference in attitude towards war/death from the Romans to the modern era, especially with respect to things like civilian extermination. The name m…

I have never heard of Dan Carlin and it might be an intentional juxtaposition, but the title feels like clickbait.

Dan Carlin produces the Hardcore History Podcast, and it is outstanding. Do yourself a favor and check it out.

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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It took them nearly a millennium to do only a fraction of what communists accomplished in about a century.

If anyone wants to crunch numbers and determine a per capita "death as a result of state action" for various empires over time I think it would be really interesting.

How does a bad year in the roman empire compared to a purge year in the USSR? Average year vs average year? What about the great leap forward?

Re: Body Count of the Roman Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. The term holocaust is more contemporary. Back in roman times enslavement and extermination seems to have been relatively common.

[Disclaimer: I've only listened to the first chunk of the episode. It's 6 hours long, and I have other things to do with my brain] As far as I can tell, you've hit on exactly the distinction he's trying to make in the episode. There's a running theme of highlighting the difference in attitude towards war/death from the Romans to the modern era, especially with respect to things like civilian extermination. The name m…

I feel that the term "Holocaust" is being used here to sensationalize something that used to be a relatively common occurrence back in those days (infact also used to happen in medieval and post medieval - e.g. Trail of tears - times).

You should not compare ancient post-war extermination events with a modern, civilized state exterminating a section of the population in an organized manner. It just dilutes the extremity of what the Nazi's did.

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