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High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by jrs95 »

jrs95 wrote: post #57

Single core performance on the i9 is still going to be significantly higher though, so it depends on your use case. Testing I've seen so far has had the i9 getting about 20% higher framerates in games, for example.

There are also more i9 chips coming out this month and next. The $1200 12 core 7920X will probably have roughly the same multicore performance as the TR 1950X, but while maintaining significantly better single core performance. So, in my opinion, if you're looking for an affordable badass workstation chip, but you also want top of the line game performance, wait until the end of August and get an i9 7920X.

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by PyComfy »

axaxs wrote: post #5

I don't mean to diminish the efforts of anyone involved, but I truly feel one man more or less moves the direction of the CPU industry: Jim Keller. He, among others, invented x86_64 at AMD during its previous glory days. AMD dominated the competition. He led the Apple chips at A4, and Apple chips then and now dominate the mobile competition. He came back to AMD and helped create Zen, to obvious results. Apparently he…

He sure seems to be very talented but Ryzen also gained from a few important patents being finally expired (the one about SMT, for example)

https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/the-myth-of-cmt-clu...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-...

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by bhouston »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #20
xmichael99 wrote: post #4

Wow! Hard to believe I would ever, ever, ever see AMD on the top of that list! Amazing! Forget about the price, just amazing to see AMD at the top, now factor in the price and wow Intel is screwed. Not because of this one release, but because they are getting pounded from all angles. Intel's strategy of limiting the PCI throughput to hold GPU manufactures back is over, and these AMD cpu's are going to be paired super…

How many GPUs get anywhere near saturating 16 lanes?

In CUDA applications, all the time.

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by Nursie »

thethirdone wrote: post #21
MattSteelblade wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of Intel's lineup--at least for the last few years--is only 16 lanes.

I get that, but given that GPUs currently can't use (for physical connector) / don't benefit from more than 16 lanes. Unless you are using multiple GPUs or another PCI device, you would not benefit from more than 16 lanes. How does that hold GPU manufacturers back?

Second graphics cards are not that unusual, and by the time you then want an NVMe drive too, you're bumping up against limits.

More is definitely better here.

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by arca_vorago »

One thing I think is that AMD has even more room to shine as software gets better at parallelization. I saw this trend back during my days managing 250gb+ data generation/day at a genetics company, and eventually got to build a 4 cpu, 64 core AMD Opteron system for physics computation. I am super-excited about the new server line of CPU's, because the Opteron line wasn't perfect and I expect they learned a lot from it. Also, I only need to get 2 cpu's to get that 64 core count again! I dream about supermicro or someone doing a 4 cpu board for the new line... 128 cores... (hey, I can dream!)

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by AlphaSite »

syshum wrote: post #44
ijidak wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throw in Jobs. Original Mac (1984), iPod (iconic music players), iPhone (nuf said), iPad (launch of tablets). Musk, Edison, Bell. Really a lot of the world changing in tech is concentrated in bursts of productivity for a relative few individuals like Einstein's golden year. Of course many make significant one off contributions. But it is amazing how some just have this ability to strike gold consistently. Making it l…

Jobs was a Marketer of other peoples ideas... I love how you leave out Woz, and the Team of people that made the iPod/iPhone/iPad Edison is renowned for taking credit for other peoples work, notably some of the work of Nikola Tesla who you also leave off your list and was one of the rare singular geniuses on the level of a Einstein Elon Musk has a vision of his idealized world and the money to hire people that will a…

Wiz was never involved with a lot of the more interesting bits of Apple, he gets a lot of deserved credit for his early work but also plenty of credit for things he never worked on.

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by rbanffy »

I'd love to see how POWER8/9, SPARC64 XII and SPARC M7 stack up.

If someone could throw in some z14 PU benchmarks, I'd be more than happy. Are AMD's server-grade EPYC parts available?

(edit: I get it. These are mostly desktop processors with some low-end server parts thrown in. It's not a comprehensive high-end CPU benchmark, as it misses the whole E7 family)

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by sjwright »

syshum wrote: post #44
ijidak wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throw in Jobs. Original Mac (1984), iPod (iconic music players), iPhone (nuf said), iPad (launch of tablets). Musk, Edison, Bell. Really a lot of the world changing in tech is concentrated in bursts of productivity for a relative few individuals like Einstein's golden year. Of course many make significant one off contributions. But it is amazing how some just have this ability to strike gold consistently. Making it l…

Jobs was a Marketer of other peoples ideas... I love how you leave out Woz, and the Team of people that made the iPod/iPhone/iPad Edison is renowned for taking credit for other peoples work, notably some of the work of Nikola Tesla who you also leave off your list and was one of the rare singular geniuses on the level of a Einstein Elon Musk has a vision of his idealized world and the money to hire people that will a…

Funny, I was reading another HN thread where someone said:

"Pretty reliable rule of software is: if you think it's pointless you probably don't understand it well enough." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14987634

I think that applies to your understanding of Steve Jobs. I don't think you understand the point of Steve Jobs well enough.

A product like the iPhone isn't special because of its ideas — science fiction authors had already envisioned products like this — it's special because it actually got made.

He had a vision for what the product should be. He was able to coalesce a set of human resources into making it a reality. He took raw ideas, found the best of these ideas, insist these best ideas still suck and need to be further improved. He made people, regardless of their particular discipline, do the best work they were capable of.

Calling him a marketer is a sad joke.

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by randallsquared »

0xbear wrote: post #42

In case someone from AMD is reading this: guys, you need to fix stability issues on Linux, or your Epyc is DOA. People are having some serious lock-up trouble with Ryzen, even with the latest AGESA updates and kernels. This is the only issue preventing me from recommending to purchase threadripper workstations at work. We do need that pcie bandwidth for GPU, but we absolutely can't tolerate instability.

I had a lot of issues: obviously Ubuntu 17.04 doesn't boot, but Fedora 26 crashed a lot seemingly no matter what I changed. Windows 10 also crashed fairly often. I was about say that it wasn't as bad as F26, but given the automatic restart on crash that I kept seeing, it might have been as bad.

Currently using Arch/4.12-zen/nvidia with Gigabyte Gaming K5/Ryzen 7 1700X/GTX1060 and since kicking nouveau out, I have had no crashes at all. I am hopeful that this means my Ryzen woes are over.

Re: High End CPUs – Intel vs. AMD

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Post by rbanffy »

syshum wrote: post #44
ijidak wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throw in Jobs. Original Mac (1984), iPod (iconic music players), iPhone (nuf said), iPad (launch of tablets). Musk, Edison, Bell. Really a lot of the world changing in tech is concentrated in bursts of productivity for a relative few individuals like Einstein's golden year. Of course many make significant one off contributions. But it is amazing how some just have this ability to strike gold consistently. Making it l…

Jobs was a Marketer of other peoples ideas... I love how you leave out Woz, and the Team of people that made the iPod/iPhone/iPad Edison is renowned for taking credit for other peoples work, notably some of the work of Nikola Tesla who you also leave off your list and was one of the rare singular geniuses on the level of a Einstein Elon Musk has a vision of his idealized world and the money to hire people that will a…

> Jobs was a Marketer of other peoples ideas

That's an oversimplification. He was a marketer, true, but he also was fanatically pushing people towards standards higher than anyone else in the industry.

If there was nothing special about Jobs, how can it be Apple came up with the Mac (a somewhat just-right version of the Lisa ideas), with the iPod, the iPhone, computers that actually look good (starting with the bondi-blue iMac, which he had little to do with)? To say he only could sell other people's ideas ignore how many of these people voluntarily worked for someone with the reputation of being an insufferable asshole and pull off miracle after miracle.

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