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A note on programmer salaries

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Re: A note on programmer salaries

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The thing is most of the people in the tech industry are moving towards programming and app development. Looks like the programming sector will get saturated in the next few years. The average salaries are going to take a hit as well.

Programming is a bimodal distribution. A good chunk of people make 250k+ and the rest mostly make 120k or less

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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The salaries are much lower compared to the large sales contracts because the company is compensating you for uncertainty.

If you stick with a company, you're guaranteed whatever your salary is even if the company doesn't make any sales. If they're doing really well in terms of sales and contracts, then they pocket the difference, but if they're not, you pocket the loss.

I personally agree with the author that it's worth getting paid for the uncertainty with your own company (in most cases the rewards outweigh the risk assuming you have enough to float on for a year or so while you're learning), but some people find that stressful and are willing to pay a pretty hefty premium for that certainty of a regular monthly check.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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post #8

The thing is most of the people in the tech industry are moving towards programming and app development. Looks like the programming sector will get saturated in the next few years. The average salaries are going to take a hit as well.

An increase in the number of people attracted to programming jobs does not necessarily move the supply curve of people who are good at programming.

On the other hand, the majority of stuff produced in this industry doesn't require a high degree of skill, nor does it seem very high quality. Frankly I'm amused that programmers are paid even as much as we are (which is still low compared to the value we deliver, even for relatively shabby uses).

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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post #8

The thing is most of the people in the tech industry are moving towards programming and app development. Looks like the programming sector will get saturated in the next few years. The average salaries are going to take a hit as well.

An increase in the number of people attracted to programming jobs does not necessarily move the supply curve of people who are good at programming.

I have a friend who suggests the opposite of the grandparent's assertion. Since every new line of code represents technical debt that must be serviced, each new programmer generates a maintenance burden sufficient to occupy the time of 2 more programmers.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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a good opportunity is to bring more value to the company than simply the code you write (easier to do in smaller companies with a shallow hierarchy). i recently switched out our payment processor after shopping around and reduced our transaction fees by $70k/yr into the foreseeable future. negotiations tend to go more smoothly afterwards.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Taking advice from the article to share about salary: I have 2.5 years of software development experience but no formal education. I am paid 65k/yr but as a remote contractor, so I pay my own taxes and healthcare, which effectively makes my salary about 57k/yr. I'm considering looking for a new position. What is a reasonable salary to ask for? Edit: I live in California and prefer to continue working remotely

Out of school, my salary history went $67k for 6 months -> $82k for 7 month -> $90k for 18 months -> $110k (present). East coast of US. I took more than 6 months off between each job, so I've had a cumulative two years' vacation since graduation. Recommended. And if someone doesn't offer you the salary you want, say thank you but no thank you. As for convincing people, just be sure to have side projects and be sure y…

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Re: A note on programmer salaries

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I mean, it's pretty simple, but it took a long time to internalize: If you don't have anyone else making you an offer, then you're worth that amount. In this case, you were worth $42k and $56k respectively. If you'd shopped around, you'd have been worth more. But you didn't, so you weren't. That's not a bad thing, either. Security is nice, and interviews are a pain. But it really is that simple. If you don't like you…

> "that's what you're worth"

Your argument is sound, but this is really unfortunate phrasing.

It's actually what your work is worth. Not what you as a person is worth, and it's important to keep those things separate, both for sanity and rigor.

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