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uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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An interesting quote from Hill, from the article linked to:

> It baffles me that some people thinks Firefox is becoming a “Chrome clone”, it’s just not the case, it’s just plain silly to make such statement.

He lists several ways in which FF is better, from a security standpoint.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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This is supposedly a lot better with Firefox 55, released this week :)

Only for restoring lots of tabs.

Yeah, I have a strong hunch that a ten-second startup time is due to restoring lots of tabs.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Any more reading on the Instart Logic tech detecting dev tools and hiding itself? I can't find much online.

Typically it seems to poll window height/width vars in js. https://github.com/sindresorhus/devtools-detect Another variant: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7798748/find-out-whether...

Sorry I meant I was looking for more like documentation on the product rather than implementation. Thanks though.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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> I used to have a useful feature that worked. > Now I don't. Well, imagine for a moment that you're whoever is in charge of firefox development at mozilla: - You want to take advantage of modern hardware such as multiple cores, GPU's etc. - You want to get rid of XUL which is an evolutionary dead end. - You have an existing extension model which basically allows extensions to more or less freely poke about in the in…

I guess you would lose some of your remaining market share to chrome and wonder how much smaller your revenue is going to be when the yahoo deal expires?

> I guess you would lose some of your remaining market share to chrome

So, you're saying that:

- some people kept using Firefox because it had more powerful extensions than Google Chrome.

- these people are upset because mozilla is breaking the old extensions in favor of a less powerful alternative (still better than Chrome's, that the main point of the OP)

- then people are going to move to Google Chrome which still is the worst browser for extensions

Who reasons this way ? There are legitimate reasons for being upset (my favorite addon disapeared and that makes me sad / I need to rewrite all my addons, depending if you're a user or an addon dev), but I don't think anyone will shoot himself in the foot and use a worse (addon-wise at least) alternative just because mozilla's people are mean !

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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The difference is that you run only trusted native applications with the ability to check their source code, while you are visiting untrusted sites which often have obfuscated javascript. I think that it would be a better comparison between a pdf file and the web: pdfs files can't do the same or more.

PDFs can run JavaScript too. Open this PDF in Chrome: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/osnr/horrifying-pdf-experi... And I would argue it is harder for the average user to view the JavaScript inside PDFs: on the web just right click and choose Inspect Element right in the browser; for a PDF you'll have to use specialized tools to decode the myriad encoding schemes inside a PDF. The average JavaScript developer doesn…

While it works on Chromium it does not seem to work in xpdf, pdf.js nor any other pdf viewer that I tried. It seems that JS, flash, etc inside pdfs are proprietary, useless, and potentially dangerous adobe-only extensions that nobody else implements and nobody uses. It's just that Chromium happened to have a JS engine so they decided to let JS inside pdfs to be executed with a very constrained API (which can't do anything malicious probably - unless a bug is found in its JS engine).

My point still stands: I do not expect a pdf document to be able to do anything like the djsumdog's link and neither do most people. If a pdf document was able to do anything like that I would consider that viewer as broken.

> The average JavaScript developer doesn't know how to extract JavaScript from a PDF.

They could learn with a few google searches.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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If you think this stuff is creepy well...okay? I mean, it's not like every desktop application you've ever used in your life couldn't do the same or more?

The difference is that you run only trusted native applications with the ability to check their source code, while you are visiting untrusted sites which often have obfuscated javascript. I think that it would be a better comparison between a pdf file and the web: pdfs files can't do the same or more.

> you run only trusted native applications with the ability to check their source code

Is the "you" in this scenario Richard Stallman?

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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I've tried it. Three times, I guess, since the early versions of it. All three times I found it useless even though I usually have 30+ tabs opened. Honestly, this kind of statement is nothing but a superstition that you usually hear from people that think that it's impossible to be productive using different approaches. For me nothings beats Vimium's "T" or Session Buddy + Keepin' Tabs extensions pair.

That is odd, you should try to use for longer periods of time. I personally use it with hundreds of tabs open and I haven't found anything else that can compare. > Honestly, this kind of statement is nothing but a superstition that you usually hear from people that think that it's impossible to be productive using different approaches. Maybe, but I'm pretty sure I'm more productive than you. We should compare each ot…

>That is odd, you should try to use for longer periods of time. I personally use it with hundreds of tabs open and I haven't found anything else that can compare.

I'm using fork when eating pasta. Still, my chinese friends tell me that nothing beats sticks and I should just try to use them for longer periods of time.

See what I did here?

Your assumtion is baseless. You don't know for how logh I've been using it, nor do you know about the results (aside from the fact that I don't use it anymore).

>Maybe, but I'm pretty sure I'm more productive than you. We should compare each other browsing reddit some day.

I'm sorry, but "browsing reddit" and "productive" are on opposite sides of scale for me.

You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how childish it may be.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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That is odd, you should try to use for longer periods of time. I personally use it with hundreds of tabs open and I haven't found anything else that can compare. > Honestly, this kind of statement is nothing but a superstition that you usually hear from people that think that it's impossible to be productive using different approaches. Maybe, but I'm pretty sure I'm more productive than you. We should compare each ot…

>That is odd, you should try to use for longer periods of time. I personally use it with hundreds of tabs open and I haven't found anything else that can compare. I'm using fork when eating pasta. Still, my chinese friends tell me that nothing beats sticks and I should just try to use them for longer periods of time. See what I did here? Your assumtion is baseless. You don't know for how logh I've been using it, nor…

chopsticks > forks

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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After being a Chrome user for several years, I've switched back to Firefox for the past two years or so and I'm really, really happy with it. Latest version does multi-processing, e10s is finally here (though it might still get disabled by usage of certain add-ons, I remember I had to force it to stay enabled). On performance, in the past it felt sluggish, but now Firefox is fast and for my usage patterns it uses les…

+1. The perfs on Firefox have improved so much. And the new test pilots are awesome. I freaking love tab containers.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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I've been using VimFX all along, which is actively maintained and already compatible with multiprocess. It's a web browser, not an actual text editor. 99% of the time, you're just wanting familiar keyboard commands for navigation. It feels like Vimperator does so many impractical things almost tongue-in-cheek, just to show how cool it is that they're theoretically possible.

VimFx is not compatible with multiprocess, it will stop working soon. See https://github.com/akhodakivskiy/VimFx/issues/860 : - You can use the current VimFx for the rest of 2017. - Then, Vimium is your best bet: philc/vimium#2425 - VimFx is free software, so if somebody feels like converting it to a WebExtension they're totally free to do so! (But you're probably going to spend your time more wisely on Vimium.) - I…

VimFx is perfectly compatible with multiprocess, as stated in the issue you linked:

https://github.com/akhodakivskiy/VimFx/issues/860#issuecomme...

The issue is that VimFx is not feasible to convert into a WebExtension.

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