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What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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Jeff Deist, the author of this article is a crypto white nationalist. You can pick up a hint of this from the article above, "He understands that globalism is not liberalism, that identity and culture matter" A quote from another article, "Jeff Deist, President of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a right-libertarian think tank for promoting Rothbardian anarcho-capitalism and the Austrian School of economics, said of t…

Why is he a 'white nationalist' and not just a 'nationalist'?

Do you have any indication that, so long as people conform to his idea of what his country's culture should be, that he wouldn't accept black, asian, etc people?

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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post #31

Jeff Deist, the author of this article is a crypto white nationalist. You can pick up a hint of this from the article above, "He understands that globalism is not liberalism, that identity and culture matter" A quote from another article, "Jeff Deist, President of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a right-libertarian think tank for promoting Rothbardian anarcho-capitalism and the Austrian School of economics, said of t…

Why is he a 'white nationalist' and not just a 'nationalist'? Do you have any indication that, so long as people conform to his idea of what his country's culture should be, that he wouldn't accept black, asian, etc people?

I just brought up his use of the nazi slogan "blood and soil".

Also, listen to this. It's Jeff Deist's take on Richard Spencer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6kJNHZvanI&t=1s

Within the video Deist advocates for what he calls a "Benedict Option" whereby a white ethnostate would secede from the US.

Overall the tone of the video is that Deist disagrees with Richard Spencer's economic stance, but that he doesn't take issue with Spencer's views on race.

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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I love Nassim Taleb as an academic and philosopher. I think he has a Peter Thiel like quality of being able to thinking differently, but in a very applicable way. Nassim Taleb the author though I really can't get into, and to be fair he's had so much success that this is probably my fault. If you want to get the most out of his work then read his medium blog. Most of his pieces are written in easily digestible format…

I appreciate your thoughtful response, but I couldn't help reply to your comment about starting backwards: I completely disagree. Fooled by Randomness, in my opinion, is Taleb's seminal work. Reading it changed the course of career (I work in finance), much more so than Antifragile or Black Swan (even though both books are excellent).

Couldn't agree more. Little-mentioned relative to the others because it wasn't connected with the narrative of the financial crisis, but most of the others seems like repetition of ideas from FbR.

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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I really appreciate his books, The Black Swan and Antifragile particularly, though it does seem to me he's set up something of a cottage industry churning the same general idea into a sequence of very similar books. Then again, as long as he has extra stuff to add, and a readership willing to purchase them, I suppose this is utterly acceptable. However, as a person, he seems to be an absolute rabid nutter. At one poi…

Have you read his books (not just the summary but all the chapters)? While he has good points, he is so egotistical, self-absorbed, and full of pseudo-scientific theories (e.g. that one should go between gorging themselves on food and fasting) that it makes it hard to actually extract out the good parts.

Yes, I read The Black Swan, Fooled by Randomness, and Antifragile. I read all the way through them, I hail from a non-skimming age.

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At one point he was planning to publish a book of his own aphorisms, as quoted by himself, while he is still alive. He did, it's called "The Bed of Procrustes". I quite enjoyed it, there's quite a few brilliant thoughts there, even though they're sprinkled between countless cheap shots against his enemies.

I found this: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/dec/21/bed-of-procrus... Does he go into detail about these in his book? Some of these are clever but did he write some substance behind these quips? Asking, not accusing.

I believe that review is actually not quoting the book, but rather pretending to be in character as Taleb and making things up to mock him.

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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post #3

I really appreciate his books, The Black Swan and Antifragile particularly, though it does seem to me he's set up something of a cottage industry churning the same general idea into a sequence of very similar books. Then again, as long as he has extra stuff to add, and a readership willing to purchase them, I suppose this is utterly acceptable. However, as a person, he seems to be an absolute rabid nutter. At one poi…

Taleb's approach is to put BS-vendors on full blast, especially if he sees them prominently spreading bad ideas and acting in bad faith. It's a service to all of us. The intellectual sphere is crowded enough already without the pundit class spreading misinformation.

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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post #37
post #3

I really appreciate his books, The Black Swan and Antifragile particularly, though it does seem to me he's set up something of a cottage industry churning the same general idea into a sequence of very similar books. Then again, as long as he has extra stuff to add, and a readership willing to purchase them, I suppose this is utterly acceptable. However, as a person, he seems to be an absolute rabid nutter. At one poi…

Taleb's approach is to put BS-vendors on full blast, especially if he sees them prominently spreading bad ideas and acting in bad faith. It's a service to all of us. The intellectual sphere is crowded enough already without the pundit class spreading misinformation.

There's something to be said for maintaining at least a semblance of decorum whilst going about his self-assigned mission to patrol the global marketplace of ideas. Sadly he just rants and raves like a ’jackass’ (as somebody else on this thread quite aptly noted).

And really, what gives him the right to act as the ultimate arbiter of what is, and what is not, ’bullshit’? What of his ongoing stream of pro-Flynn, pro-Scaramucci invective? What of the manner in which he flamed that historian?

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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Jeff Deist, the author of this article is a crypto white nationalist. You can pick up a hint of this from the article above, "He understands that globalism is not liberalism, that identity and culture matter" A quote from another article, "Jeff Deist, President of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a right-libertarian think tank for promoting Rothbardian anarcho-capitalism and the Austrian School of economics, said of t…

Thanks for bringing that up, the idea of questioning the objectives and leanings of the ”Mises Institute” in general, and the author in particular, didn't occur to me (doh!).

(N.B. I'm not the original poster of the article.)

Re: What Nassim Taleb can teach us

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read his books (not just the summary but all the chapters)? While he has good points, he is so egotistical, self-absorbed, and full of pseudo-scientific theories (e.g. that one should go between gorging themselves on food and fasting) that it makes it hard to actually extract out the good parts.

Ya, it's really a shame. He's got some very interesting stuff to say, but he's such a completely insufferable jackass. It's really unfortunate. I manage to ignore it and enjoy his books anyway, but he's a pretty easy person to hate.

if you start from a position of disdain instead, you'll be able to move past thinking his works have enough value to suffer the bullshit antics and be well on your way to never thinking about him again except in passing social context.

taleb is ultimately just another LARPer. people get the impression that he's something more for ~4 basic reasons:

1. he's more verbal than them.

2. they don't know stats too good.

so, given a crisis of confidence in all statistical orthodoxy plus a guy who really really seems to talk like he knows about stats a lot, and whom others — who also don't know stats, but want social proof of reading & shit — say knows about stats, they have no choice but to remain agnostic or go along with taleb's dogmatic-sophist-monkey-dance.

3. they fail to appreciate that his depth of extended expertise is never more than ankle-deep, and breadth very agonizingly chosen so as to min-max in terms of knowledge required to signal learnedness to the unlearned.

he'll say some poncy shit like « flâneur » out of context just because his readers are unfamiliar with it. he'll go on seeming deep-dives about language evolution and community segregation in the spinning of statistical fables — and it'll be utter horseshit, but nobody reading him will suspect that, and anyone with the requisite expertise to debunk it line by line doesn't give a shit about him and has no incentive to do so: why debunk a LARPer whose entire shtick is being a cleverer obscurant than most with an institutionally-enabled gish gallop lifestyle?

4. academic culture is so actively pathetic and conflict-avoidant that it's trivial to come across as some sort of masculine breaker-of-chains figure merely by not sucking in the majority mould — sucking differently is sometimes sufficient, at this point.

just look at jordan peterson. i don't intend to imply that he sucks, but look at him, presentation-wise. dude's basically a couple slices of ham held up by suspenders wrapped in a blazer, mouth-hole cut out so wind can blow through, and he's hailed as some kind of triumphant anti-establishment figure simply because culture wars shit has gotten so farcical.

wonks are thrown off by taleb's eagerness to be crass in the middle of otherwise frou-frou discourse, and that's the only thing that gives it any influence — because he discards all epistemic norms in the process. he won't circle back for them if they wait it out, or otherwise re-engage like a good lad. he doesn't choose to be vulgar for shits and giggles while nevertheless maintaining soundness of argumentation, he does it simply as a short-circuiting mechanism.

the posturing is slumming to him: he's aping a working class affectation without the life experience of having an epistemic peer+ interrupt the ritual to physically dickslap him and then resume reasoned discussion.

you see it with the powerlifting posturing as well.

i mean, nobody gives a shit what some physically unremarkable old man lifts. not young girls who don't wanna fuck unremarkable old men, nor young powerlifting guys who don't wanna have their sets interrupted by some old poseur pretending to do a 2016 election exit poll so he can inevitably find that

  HIGH T ⇒ TRUMP VOTER
  LOW T ⇒ HILLURRY
  
  LUK, A BUNCHA MATHEMATICA BULLSHIT
  BUNCHA MATHEMATICA BULLSHIT ⇒ IMRITE
  AND IT'S A PICTURE SOOOOO…
  YOU CAN'T USE IT W/O TRANSCRIBING IT
  DESPITE ALREADY KNOWING IT'S BULLSHIT
  HEE HAW AREN'T I SUCH TROLE
  
  GLOBALIST CUCKS BTFO BY #BLACKSWAN
(yeah, this refers to an actual thing⁽¹⁾ he did on twitter)

in fact, the only possible audience for such effete anti-intellectual snobbery is Young Male Scholars™, pencilneck NYU Stern dandies who can project aspirations onto such a transparently less-than-nothing caricature as taleb in the same way that lots of young guys get really into BEING LIBERTARIAN as a social posture & gender identity.

so taleb, then: a brand for dullwits, a statistician who squandered nigh-unsquanderably fortuitous career timing to shitpost about things he just read a single wikipedia entry on, a guy who needed to be spanked a lot more as a kid, gist him however you like.

it doesn't really matter how you do it, because he doesn't matter

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¹ https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/814560759577513984

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