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Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#51

Ok, let's assume we find a warm, watery planet like Earth's within ~20 light years, and we figure out a way to travel >= 50% the speed of light, making it somewhat reasonable to get there. If the planet's gravity is greater than 10% different from Earth's, or its Day/Night cycle is much different from Earth's, wouldn't it still be a nightmare to live on. Anatomically modern humans have lived on Earth for 200,000 year…

I'm sure it wouldn't be easy, but humans have proven to be very adaptable.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#52

Key line to mitigate disappointment: "The outer two planets around tau Ceti are likely to be candidate habitable worlds, although a massive debris disc around the star probably reduces their habitability due to intensive bombardment by asteroids and comets."

Then we will fight in the shade

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#53

Ok, let's assume we find a warm, watery planet like Earth's within ~20 light years, and we figure out a way to travel >= 50% the speed of light, making it somewhat reasonable to get there. If the planet's gravity is greater than 10% different from Earth's, or its Day/Night cycle is much different from Earth's, wouldn't it still be a nightmare to live on. Anatomically modern humans have lived on Earth for 200,000 year…

Why would gravity be the problem? There are people that weigh twice the weight of other people same height. I guess very low gravity could affect calcium in the bones and there could be other various effects. But people are life and life is adaptable. Day/night cycle? It varies greatly on earth too. Also one person's nightmare is just life for some other.

> There are people that weigh twice the weight of other people

This isn't the same thing at all.

Growing up in a high gravity environment would definitely alter your growth. We've also seen that it leads to fluid imbalance, cardiovascular issues and general fatigue

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#54

Ok, let's assume we find a warm, watery planet like Earth's within ~20 light years, and we figure out a way to travel >= 50% the speed of light, making it somewhat reasonable to get there. If the planet's gravity is greater than 10% different from Earth's, or its Day/Night cycle is much different from Earth's, wouldn't it still be a nightmare to live on. Anatomically modern humans have lived on Earth for 200,000 year…

Why would gravity be the problem? There are people that weigh twice the weight of other people same height. I guess very low gravity could affect calcium in the bones and there could be other various effects. But people are life and life is adaptable. Day/night cycle? It varies greatly on earth too. Also one person's nightmare is just life for some other.

Calcium and the weak bones is a problem only if you are planning to return to Earth. The first 20ly journey will probably be a one direction trip.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#55

Ok, let's assume we find a warm, watery planet like Earth's within ~20 light years, and we figure out a way to travel >= 50% the speed of light, making it somewhat reasonable to get there. If the planet's gravity is greater than 10% different from Earth's, or its Day/Night cycle is much different from Earth's, wouldn't it still be a nightmare to live on. Anatomically modern humans have lived on Earth for 200,000 year…

Even at 50% the speed of light, adding in a fudge factor for acceleration/deceleration, you're still talking about a trip time of 50 yrs. Even if you go all Neon Genesis and send 15 year olds on the journey, they'll be at retirement age by the time they arrive.

In other words, you'd almost definitely have to send a generation ship. Which means you'd have to have already figured things like artificial gravity, giving birth and raising children in space, etc. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine taking earth values for day/night and gravity, and then gradually over 50 years adjusting them so that, by the time you arrive, you'd have acclimatized to those values on the new world.

Also, nuclear sub crews live 18 hour days, so it's definitely doable.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#56

The fastest spacecraft ever built would take 4000 years to travel one light year.

In 4000 years we can build way way more faster ships and catch up to those poor guys launched a centuries earlier just because they thought they are fast enough :) On the serious side, we only need antimatter and the drive problem is kind of solved (yes, I might be the one in the good enough ship :)).

I don't see us doubling-up on the initial missions unless it becomes really trivial to catch up. Even if technology gets a 4000 year trip down to 500, even or 100, we'd probably just let the poor 4000 year schmucks go on their way.

If it got down under a year maybe, but predicting what might happen if we invent FTL is a job for people who are deliberately making things up.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#57

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Why would gravity be the problem? There are people that weigh twice the weight of other people same height. I guess very low gravity could affect calcium in the bones and there could be other various effects. But people are life and life is adaptable. Day/night cycle? It varies greatly on earth too. Also one person's nightmare is just life for some other.

> There are people that weigh twice the weight of other people This isn't the same thing at all. Growing up in a high gravity environment would definitely alter your growth. We've also seen that it leads to fluid imbalance, cardiovascular issues and general fatigue

> cardiovascular issues and general fatigue

Sounds pretty much the same as obesity to me.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

#58

Ok, let's assume we find a warm, watery planet like Earth's within ~20 light years, and we figure out a way to travel >= 50% the speed of light, making it somewhat reasonable to get there. If the planet's gravity is greater than 10% different from Earth's, or its Day/Night cycle is much different from Earth's, wouldn't it still be a nightmare to live on. Anatomically modern humans have lived on Earth for 200,000 year…

I'm going to show my nerd colors here but having a thought like this has almost ruined Star Trek for me. For me I often think about atmospheric pressure. There's no way that beings from so many different planets could exist on a single star ship set at 1 Earth atmosphere.

Maybe someone knowledgeable in this space can tell me, but is a planet's atmospheric pressure reliably proportional to its mass?

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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With the EMdrive it'll take around 150 years (give or take a century), so it's within the realm of possibility if we can engineer a ship with shielding that can last that long. The mission becomes an order of a magnitude more difficult if you want to put a viable human population on it... watch Pandorum for one scenario.... perhaps it's best to send a seed ship (as written about in the excellent SF story by Pamela Sa…

Give or take a century? So you're saying that the range could be 50-250 years?

On the scale of interstellar distances, even 250 years one-way is just down the block.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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post #51

Ok, let's assume we find a warm, watery planet like Earth's within ~20 light years, and we figure out a way to travel >= 50% the speed of light, making it somewhat reasonable to get there. If the planet's gravity is greater than 10% different from Earth's, or its Day/Night cycle is much different from Earth's, wouldn't it still be a nightmare to live on. Anatomically modern humans have lived on Earth for 200,000 year…

I'm sure it wouldn't be easy, but humans have proven to be very adaptable.

>proven to be very adaptable

to conditions on Earth

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