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Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

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Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#31

Interesting finding because I find it conflicts with my stereotype of the laid back stoner. Though I could see drug use leading to other stresses in life (speculation, I'm not that kind of doctor). However, I have a problem with their definition of "marijuana user" > We selected participants eligible for mortality follow-up, aged 20 years and above, who answered “yes” or “no” to the question, “Have you ever used mari…

So according to this study, anyone who answered that they ever tried marijuana once is classified as a regular user from that point forwards?

I must be misreading that.

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#32
I believe it. Everytime my friend dabbled, his heart raced.

That said, there are so many third variables that are associated with adult chronic usage (no pun intended) of marijuana that covariates may have a hard time removing their influence. What is needed is a mechanism, shown in animal and cellular models with random assignment. I haven't had the chance to read; was one proposed?

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#33
This is a very odd article. It discusses longevity of use but gives no details about frequency or method of ingestion, which may be very telling.

Example: Is there a difference between someone who smokes a joint every day for 10 years and someone who eats an edible once every two months for 10 years?

I imagine the answer to this is yes, but it's one of those things you need data to back up. The 'findings' have been so oversimplified in this news article that the portrayed results are likely only unreliable. This makes for great politicized sound-bytes but doesn't really help anyone make a real conclusion or decision.

This seems to be the source for the article, I doubt they even interviewed:

https://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases...

The study: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2047487317723212

Looking at methodology:

We linked participants aged 20 years and above, who responded to questions on marijuana use during the 2005 US National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey to data from the 2011 public-use linked mortality file of the National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Only participants eligible for mortality follow-up were included. We conducted Cox proportional hazards regression analyses to estimate hazard ratios for hypertension, heart disease, and cerebrovascular mortality due to marijuana use. We controlled for cigarette smoking and other relevant variables.

And results:

Of the 1213 eligible participants 72.5% were presumed to be alive. The total follow-up time was 19,569 person-years. Adjusted hazard ratios for death from hypertension among marijuana users compared to non-marijuana users was 3.42 (95% confidence interval: 1.20–9.79) and for each year of marijuana use was 1.04 (95% confidence interval: 1.00–1.07).

My own naive interpretation here is that they drew their conclusions from a sample of ~334 deaths (1213 - 72.5%) by people who filled out a survey in 2005, using only the original survey at the beginning of the 6 year period and their public-use mortality file..

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#35

This is great, it really points to the how criminalization of marijuana has been hurtful to society. People are going to continue to smoke it, legal or not, but now that its (somewhat) legal, we can learn things about how it effects the body!

Not quite...as it is still federally a Schedule 1 substance research is hampered.

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Policy makers do put quite a lot of work into protecting us from alcohol, tobacco and over the counter meds. Also, 1200 people is a fairly huge study, plenty to get some quality statistics from. I'm not sure why you have been so offended by this research. It looks quite convincing to me, and fairly worrying.

I'm not offended. I encourage more studies to be done! 1200 is a large number of people, but not large relative to the number of people who consume regularly. What I'm railing against is "news" articles that don't contextualize or think critically about the studies that are being performed, and try to generate clicks through buzz-word filled headlines.

Recognize that this knee jerk reaction is your brain's attempt at dismissing the study and move on.

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Policy makers do put quite a lot of work into protecting us from alcohol, tobacco and over the counter meds. Also, 1200 people is a fairly huge study, plenty to get some quality statistics from. I'm not sure why you have been so offended by this research. It looks quite convincing to me, and fairly worrying.

I'm not offended. I encourage more studies to be done! 1200 is a large number of people, but not large relative to the number of people who consume regularly. What I'm railing against is "news" articles that don't contextualize or think critically about the studies that are being performed, and try to generate clicks through buzz-word filled headlines.

> 1200 is a large number of people, but not large relative to the number of people who consume regularly.

Ratio of sample to population size is mostly irrelevant for statistics. The strength of conclusions from a sample is calculated based on an infinite population size.

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#38
Hate to say it, but it could be true. I am in an area of heavy heavy marijuana use (DABs, oils, etc 250mg> THC daily) and it is not just me, other people have noticed negative health of these users. They look sick. Another diesease is that they can no longer eat and they lose weight. Apparanetly according to the doctors the stomach is unable to make the right acid to digest food. We also noticed mania, strange behavior, etc. Just everything: a little bit is fun/good, a lot is bad. It doesn't help that the proponents of medical marijuana push it as the cure for everything. Type any disease or condition into google and "medical marijuana" and you will find "evidence" that it cures that condition. The internet is full of this bad medical advice. I've actually known people that ruined their lives with just marijuana

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#39

So they write about the limitations of their study about how marijuana use is subject to the real use frequency, but they simply throw all other considerations out the window. I take issue with trials like these. They barely do any reasonable trial research and try to spin: "The persons who habitually smoke marijuana have been shown to have higher blood pressure levels when compared to the general population" -into-…

> "The persons who habitually smoke marijuana have been shown to have higher blood pressure levels when compared to the general population"

It's not even this, it reads as if it was a simple "Have you ever smoked marijuana?" and that's what the conclusion was drawn from.

"Yankey said were limitations in the way marijuana use was assessed -- including that researchers could not be sure whether people had used the drug continuously since they first tried it."

That would be like asking "Have you ever intentionally hurt someone's feelings?" and concluding that people were three times likely to be anti-social.

Re: Marijuana use holds three-fold blood pressure death risk: study

#40

>> "If marijuana use is implicated in cardiovascular diseases and deaths, then it rests on the health community and policy makers to protect the public." Like how the policy makers protect the public from Alcohol, tobacco, and over-the-counter meds? Also a 1200 person study isn't really enough to draw any major conclusions from. Of course ingesting anything substance of any kind frequently over a period of time is bo…

A 1213 participant study, of which 72.5% are assumed still alive. So ~334 people. Maybe the other 879 people will live longer happier lives.

Source: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2047487317723212

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