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Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Is there any benefit to the planets being earth-sized? I would think the important part is that they're in the habitable zone.

Any hypothetical colonization effort would require substantially less adaptation if we don't have to worry about humans growing up in much different gravity.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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This title is a bit imprecise. They detected four planets with lower bound on their masses to be down to 1.7 Earth masses. Because these planets don't transit, there are no direct measurements from their radius. They can use mass-radius relations to infer the radius of these planets, but the key finding is their masses (actually lower bounds on their masses).

Can you say they _don't_ transit? They say the planets were detected by analyzing star wobbles, which doesn't necessarily mean that the planets don't transit, just that it's not how they were detected.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Key line to mitigate disappointment: "The outer two planets around tau Ceti are likely to be candidate habitable worlds, although a massive debris disc around the star probably reduces their habitability due to intensive bombardment by asteroids and comets."

I would think the lack of gas giants in the system would increase that risk as well.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Is there any benefit to the planets being earth-sized? I would think the important part is that they're in the habitable zone.

Gravity. A rocky planet, roughly Earth-sized, will have about the same gravity as we have on Earth. Both larger and smaller planets will have a deleterious effect on human health, at least until we (our descendants) adapt (if it's even possible.)

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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post #12

This title is a bit imprecise. They detected four planets with lower bound on their masses to be down to 1.7 Earth masses. Because these planets don't transit, there are no direct measurements from their radius. They can use mass-radius relations to infer the radius of these planets, but the key finding is their masses (actually lower bounds on their masses).

Can you say they _don't_ transit? They say the planets were detected by analyzing star wobbles, which doesn't necessarily mean that the planets don't transit, just that it's not how they were detected.

Well it doesn't transit from our point of view, so yes, I think he can say that as the observer.

"In astronomy, a transit or astronomical transit is the phenomenon of at least one celestial body appearing to move across the face of another celestial body, hiding a small part of it, as seen by an observer at some particular vantage point."[0]

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_(astronomy)

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Hearing distances like 12 light years makes you think if it is ever possible to travel there. However, when you start to think about it, nihilist thoughts start to kick in.

With the EMdrive it'll take around 150 years (give or take a century), so it's within the realm of possibility if we can engineer a ship with shielding that can last that long. The mission becomes an order of a magnitude more difficult if you want to put a viable human population on it... watch Pandorum for one scenario.... perhaps it's best to send a seed ship (as written about in the excellent SF story by Pamela Sa…

Give or take a century? So you're saying that the range could be 50-250 years?

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Is there any benefit to the planets being earth-sized? I would think the important part is that they're in the habitable zone.

If a planet is too small, it has a hard time retaining an atmosphere (see Mars) and a hard time sustaining the inner dynamo necessary for a magnetosphere (see Venus). For the latter, the fact that Earth is barely larger than Venus suggests that Earth might be very close to the lower bound of habitable terrestrial planet size. Bigger is better than smaller, but too big and you obviously stop being terrestrial, the atmosphere becomes too thick to breathe, the surface temperature gets too hot from pressure, and it might become impractical to escape the surface with standard rocketry due to increased gravity. I think I've read that double Earth's mass is somewhere around the suspected upper bound for reasonable human habitability.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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The fastest spacecraft ever built would take 4000 years to travel one light year.

If we wanted it badly enough, we could get to tau Ceti with current technology. The Orion designs are sound, and could carry a population capable of sustaining itself for the 100-odd years it would take to get there.

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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Is there any benefit to the planets being earth-sized? I would think the important part is that they're in the habitable zone.

Gravity. A rocky planet, roughly Earth-sized, will have about the same gravity as we have on Earth. Both larger and smaller planets will have a deleterious effect on human health, at least until we (our descendants) adapt (if it's even possible.)

Ah silly me, how could I forget about that?

Re: Four Earth-sized planets detected orbiting the nearest sun-like star

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post #12

This title is a bit imprecise. They detected four planets with lower bound on their masses to be down to 1.7 Earth masses. Because these planets don't transit, there are no direct measurements from their radius. They can use mass-radius relations to infer the radius of these planets, but the key finding is their masses (actually lower bounds on their masses).

Can you say they _don't_ transit? They say the planets were detected by analyzing star wobbles, which doesn't necessarily mean that the planets don't transit, just that it's not how they were detected.

I guess you're right. I know there aren't any observed transits, but I also don't know what the current constraints from monitoring the star's brightness for transit is (the star is actually so bright that it becomes hard to monitor for planet transits).

However, we have a good prior on the inclination of these planets, because we know the inclination of the dust disk around the star (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tau-ceti-s-dust-b...), and it is likely the planets are at a similar inclination. Because the disk isn't edge on, the planets also likely aren't, and won't transit.

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