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What scientists think about the biological claims made by a Google employee?
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#12Should HN not be consistent and censor this side of the debate too? I don't understand this site sometimes.
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#13Thank you for this submission. This is basically the first scientist disagreeing with Demore. The previous ones (five of them I think, submitted to HN and quickly flagged) basically agreed with what he said. I think we can now start to have a normal discussion with arguments, based on studies and evidence, rather that name calling (although Suzanne's answer is not entirely unemotional, but that's her right).
You realize she does lead her comment/ TL;DR with "He's secretly pushing an alt-right agenda"?
Yes, but she uses counterarguments based on relevant past studies rather than empty "everyone knows it's just sexism" style of arguing that we've seen so far in the media.
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#14Google CEO Sundar Pichai (note to employees):
> Our co-workers shouldn’t have to worry that each time they open their mouths to speak in a meeting, they have to prove that they are not like the memo states, being “agreeable” rather than “assertive,” showing a “lower stress tolerance,” or being “neurotic.”
Evolutionary biologist Suzanne Sadedin (quora answer linked here):
> It’s true that women and men, on average, have been found in some studies to differ in empathizing/agreeableness, systematizing, gregariousness versus assertiveness; and neuroticism.
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#15Regardless of whether or not you agree with the original manifesto, why couldn't Googlers have a civil discussion like that Quora thread instead of firing him?
So the quora article was civil was it? "hints of racism" what racism? Misrepresenting his arguments. Not civil.
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#16> The passing mention of IQ is interesting, since it has nothing to do with gender, which is the focus everywhere else. He’s presumably talking about race, but he doesn’t want to be branded a racist, so he keeps the reference subtle. So why risk doing it at all? It’s a dog-whistle to the alt-right.
He could be talking about a difference in variance of IQ between genders, which has been observed in some studies.
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#17Am I the only one that sees an inconsistency between the touchy feely world of inclusiveness and diversity within these US tech companies, and the Darwinian harshness of life outside them in the US? I'm thinking of what seems to an outsider like a generally held callousness towards those that fall through the cracks, and a focus on individual agency as being the sole determinant of success, ignoring very real factors like background etc.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
You realize she does lead her comment/ TL;DR with "He's secretly pushing an alt-right agenda"?
Yes, but she uses counterarguments based on relevant past studies rather than empty "everyone knows it's just sexism" style of arguing that we've seen so far in the media.
But most of her counter arguments are against arguments the original author never made or at best against misrepresentations.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
You realize she does lead her comment/ TL;DR with "He's secretly pushing an alt-right agenda"?
The guy is absolutely pushing an alt-right agenda, it's plain to see in the manifesto, and that's before we get to his guest appearance on a prominent alt-right YouTube show.
It would be far more interesting to see him on a Progressive YouTube show, however, as he says, few people who criticized him contacted him personally. I don't think he'd avoid such a confrontation if he was given a chance, but my feeling is that in current PC climate some people would be offended just by hearing what he says, so it's unlikely he'd even get invited.
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#20Regardless of whether or not you agree with the original manifesto, why couldn't Googlers have a civil discussion like that Quora thread instead of firing him?
Amongst many other reasons, because stuff like that 'manifesto' actively harms Google by harming a significant minority of their employees who might, if nothing was done about it, leave the industry because it was the last straw after a lifetime of harassment and devaluation.