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Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

#41
As far as I can see, a billion tx/s blockchain can never work if the P2P network is sufficiently large.

Imagine a 10,000-node network, where each node has to handle 1 billion messages per second. Firstly, if we assume a single VM can handle 1 million messages per second, it would require that each node rent ~1000 VMs (for a total of 10 million VMs for the entire P2P network), which they obviously can’t do without compensation. And if you introduce compensation, you need to pay the same fee to each node, which makes it inherently 10,000 times as expensive as a centralized network.

So the question is not whether it’s possible, the question is whether it’s worth it: in how many cases would a user prefer a system that’s 10,000 times cheaper, albeit requiring some trust?

Merchants all over the world are willing to accept VISA credit in exchange for goods and services, but they could — in theory — demand trustless payments in the form of international bank transfers, which are less than 10,000 times as expensive as a VISA transaction.

Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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What about Kickstarter? A $500 million+ company that takes a 5% vig on all transacted funds can effectively be replaced with a few lines of code. If total ETH sent to contract address by date X > Amount Y then send the ETH to the fundraiser, else return the ETH.

The part of Kickstarter you're describing isn't worth any significant fraction of these $500m. If it were, Indiegogo, Gofundme and all others in the space would need to be well on the unicorn track. A saying goes "Ideas are cheap, execution is everything". That's where this value of $500m comes in. It's in the brand reputation the company has built. In the traffic they generate by people browsing their site and disco…

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Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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The value comes from a hybrid of blockchain contracts and legal contracts. The contracts that actually manage an asset would run on the blockchain, and the legal contracts would enforce the rights to that asset in the physical world. Managing the asset in the blockchain would avoid unnecessary fees, opacity, and cheating, and the legal contract binds the results to the real world.

Sounds very smooth but the assumption that lawyers, escrow service providers or anyone else would allow you to pay them less because you are using a new technology runs counter to my personal experience.

It's not a solution for everything. It would be used in cases where escrow and legal are not the major issue or cost.

Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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"Perhaps I've been wrong. Perhaps cryptographically-secured smart contracts have uses and are powerful. Perhaps the scalability challenge can be met with MapReducable computations committed into merkle proofs. Perhaps enforced execution of smart contracts are potentially scalable to billions of state updates per second. ....... Nahhh!"

- Medieval barber, Theodoric of York

Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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They have. I have. How you take funds for your campaign is configurable. The projects which took USD raised millions more than the projects which took various cryptocurrencies at the time of funding. The upside of having a smart contract 'guarantee' your funds was outweighed by the downside of drop-off in getting your potential customers to acquire and pay you using an obscure financial instrument. This looks to be c…

Can you reword your comment as I don't quite understand what point you are trying to argue?

He is saying that more people are used to USD than cryptocurrencies. If you have two companies, one which uses a "donate here in USD" button and one which has a "donate using Ethereum smart contracts", the donations for the first one will drown the second so the second will look like a failure by comparison.

Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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Nobody has done it because it's inefficient right now, and the ecosystem is still only trusted by a relatively small minority of nerds like myself and others here. This proposal is a solution to one of those problems.

When will it ever be efficient? All blockchains rely on re-computing the same transaction across many different entities due to mistrust. However, despite the common sentiment that computers are cheap; at scale, the are definitely not. Every additional computation to validate something increases the cost of business and 99% of businesses are cutthroat when it comes to cost. Add in the other downsides/costs of crypto.…

There is proof of stake algos coming that make it efficient.

Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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Nobody has done it because it's inefficient right now, and the ecosystem is still only trusted by a relatively small minority of nerds like myself and others here. This proposal is a solution to one of those problems.

Why will the future change the level of inefficiency?

Proof of stake should increase efficiency a lot.

Re: Plasma: Scalable Autonomous Smart Contracts

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There are already ETH based projects that are trying to take this one, like this one https://www.agrello.org/ Looking forward to seeing results

It says "US Citizen cannot be registered"

Probably because of the SEC warnings on ICOs
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