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Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter for Some Safety Reviews

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Re: Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter for Some Safety Reviews

#41
"every company" was accidently misspelt as "Monsanto" in the title.

I'm not trying to jump to their defense, but can you think of a situation where the opposite would happen? Think about it, any company that funds research is going to be a subject area in their market.

Unless there was a specific ethical issue here, this isn't "news", this is a thorn in the side of the [otherwise wonderful] free market.

Re: Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter for Some Safety Reviews

#42

I don't really see anything wrong with using a ghostwriter, as long as the person/organisation whose name is on any document fully read and agreed with the contents, and would stand by them as their own.

I love Hacker News apologists.

This sort of personal attack will get your account banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else may be, so please don't do this again.

Someone holding a different view than you do is not evidence of bad faith, and the internet trope of you-must-be-a-shill is poison. Since you've posted like this before, it's important that you fix this and not do it again.

You've also been uncivil in other comments, and that needs to stop too. Here's how to approach HN commenting: if you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; otherwise please don't comment until you do.

Re: Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter for Some Safety Reviews

#43

You should realize how important money is in research today. The main job nowadays of principal investigators (PI) for research labs is to write applications for grants and fundings. These labs are usually underfunded and will accept any private funding if necessary. For example, the PI for my nutrition lab received funding from a Canadian agricultural company for a study on Canola oil. When the test results of the s…

The PI therefore "voluntarily" decided not to publish the results. I asked her why, and she said that if she published the results she would not be likely to ever receive funding from the company again. This isn't the first time I've heard of something like this, but holy shit . Those actions should produce a reaction of alarm and outrage, but I'm sure many of us read that and shake our heads, thinking "that's terrib…

The reasonable thing to do is stop expecting companies to pay for results that hurt them, and support public funding for these investigations. Trying to punish a PI who is just trying not to put him or herself, plus the lab scientists and employees, out of a job is counterproductive.

Re: Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter for Some Safety Reviews

#44

You should realize how important money is in research today. The main job nowadays of principal investigators (PI) for research labs is to write applications for grants and fundings. These labs are usually underfunded and will accept any private funding if necessary. For example, the PI for my nutrition lab received funding from a Canadian agricultural company for a study on Canola oil. When the test results of the s…

The PI therefore "voluntarily" decided not to publish the results. I asked her why, and she said that if she published the results she would not be likely to ever receive funding from the company again. This isn't the first time I've heard of something like this, but holy shit . Those actions should produce a reaction of alarm and outrage, but I'm sure many of us read that and shake our heads, thinking "that's terrib…

Why ? Parliament and lawyers aren't capable of running safety reviews, nor do they have the will or (it seems) the ability or budget to provide an organisation that can do it.

So who then writes safety reviews ? Well, the same as for medicine : the company gets them written. Ideally by a somewhat neutral third party, but since they're paid by the guys who want things approved there's going to be problems here. Since the taxpayer won't pay for them, they are by necessity paid by the company wanting something reviewed. Those guys want these things approved and are paying the bills.

This is very much working as intended. Want a better system ? It will be much more expensive, as you'll effectively have to hire medicine experts away from companies like Monsanto + provide them with infrastructure.

Re: Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter for Some Safety Reviews

#45

You should realize how important money is in research today. The main job nowadays of principal investigators (PI) for research labs is to write applications for grants and fundings. These labs are usually underfunded and will accept any private funding if necessary. For example, the PI for my nutrition lab received funding from a Canadian agricultural company for a study on Canola oil. When the test results of the s…

Any possibility of a functional fund pool that these labs all are able to pick at anonymously to conduct these type of reviews— of course these companies that require Safety Regulations put money into.

Re: Monsanto Was Its Own Ghostwriter for Some Safety Reviews

#46

Yet again, American style Capitalism giving regular ole Capitalism a bad rep.

" Real capitalism wouldn't have these problems" is No True Scotsman in action.

Theres capitalism, and then theres this current incarnation of American style capitalism. Paid lobbyists (or in this case paid writers) creating laws (or in this case "research") that crush competition/rivals (which capitalism needs to thrive), = American capitalism, (as it currently stands).
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