As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

Post by emmab » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 9:41 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #47

jasode wrote: post #33

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>There's not a lot of room for people to be in CS/SWE and not take part in all this non-work community. There's actually plenty of room for that type of programmer personality: the jobs at non-software companies where programmers are a cost center . E.g. enterprisey - line-of-business - type of programming. Actually, the "back-office" type of software dev is the majority of programming jobs out there . Yes, there may…

It meshes fine with virtually all companies. Companies that attempt to cram 60 hours of productivity into 40 hour weeks suffer for it: their employees burn large amounts of time doing nonproductive stuff while maintaining "face time", and quality suffers terribly as people do shoddy work to maintain the preferred cadence. Nobody who spends significant amounts of time with valley programmers believes that the 10-hour-…

Post by tptacek » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 9:43 PM UTC

jasode wrote: post #51

tptacek wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It meshes fine with virtually all companies. Companies that attempt to cram 60 hours of productivity into 40 hour weeks suffer for it: their employees burn large amounts of time doing nonproductive stuff while maintaining "face time", and quality suffers terribly as people do shoddy work to maintain the preferred cadence. Nobody who spends significant amounts of time with valley programmers believes that the 10-hour-…

>Companies that attempt to cram 60 hours of productivity into 40 hour weeks suffer for it: Sorry for not being clear. I'm not talking about burning 60+ hours for the company . I'm talking about the attraction to programming personalities that truly enjoy programming on their own time . E.g... The programmer spends exactly 40 hours for Google/Facebook/Microsoft and another 20 on his weekend programming side project be…

Post by gyardley » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 9:45 PM UTC

xienze wrote: post #50

earlyresort wrote: post #46

The idea that you've got to be some sort of obsessive wretch with no life outside of tech in order to successfully fill a role at a tech company is nothing but a pernicious myth. So is the idea that you've got to be some ridiculous super-genius. All you have to do is be reasonably smart and capable of learning on the job. When interviewers at tech companies mistakenly believe that every successful candidate has to be…

No one said you have to be obsessive, but it helps.

Post by js8 » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 9:46 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #22

Gabriel_Martin wrote: post #20

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You've avoided any discussion at all with your confusing use of a variable instead of just making a clear statement

No, his argument is straightforward and lots of other people have made it before. A shorter way of saying it would be "if you don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers, you are likely to be made to feel unwelcome".

Post by _jgvg » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 9:48 PM UTC

sigstoat wrote: post #55

ucaetano wrote: post #36

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> There's actually plenty of room for that type of programmer personality And how do you get into those jobs when even CS students still share the same culture? It goes back to the chart I mentioned: http://www.randalolson.com/wp-content/uploads/percent-bachel...

my father taught programming and CS-lite courses at a community college for decades. whatever culture the students have, it sure as hell isn't the valley one, or anything like i saw in university.