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As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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That's fine. Many of us don't spend weekends building tech setups in basements - in fact I strive not to. My coworkers don't as well. You don't have to mainly identify as a profession in order to practice it, and I suspect as we improve work life balance, we wont in general.

Our field rapidly evolves. If I don't spend at least 10-20 hours a week improving my skills and experience new tech, I can find myself obsolete in 5 years time.

Why not do job-related training on company time?

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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I have never seen any career that is so deeply tied to a certain culture as CS/SWE and a certain culture that I'll call X, to avoid any discussions on naming and so on. I see far more diversity in tastes and interests in most other majors and careers, while in CS/SWE, X seems to hold a monopoly. CS/SWE goes far beyond a career, usually becoming close to a religion or way of life. I rarely see doctors, lawyers, or mos…

You've avoided any discussion at all with your confusing use of a variable instead of just making a clear statement

No, his argument is straightforward and lots of other people have made it before. A shorter way of saying it would be "if you don't like the same kinds of video games as most other developers, you are likely to be made to feel unwelcome".

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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"I built a fiber-channel network in my basement". I want to know more about this. Can the OP write more about this?

Of the two stories, that's the one I'd want to know more about. Not because I'm specifically interested in building a fiber-channel network in the basement I don't have. But it's a bit fascinating that someone took the time to do it on their own just to learn and I think it would be interesting to learn about their motivations and experience. Plus, we've all heard kind of a lot of stories about doomed relationships and seeing concerts, and it takes something unique to make those interesting after a while.

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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post #17
post #6

"And the sexual harassment, while annoying, was just that: annoying. I cannot recall that it ever affected my work, nor that I lost any sleep over it." This says it all. Most women are not like this author. They will loose sleep over it and rightly so.

Here's what I don't understand. Traditionally male-dominated fields rife with harassment issues - like law and medicine - now have much less of a problem, because the gender ratio has been somewhat normalized. Tech companies are actually becoming MORE male dominated - yet medicine and law would be put to shame by the sheer amount of mental and financial resources that tech companies pour into diversity efforts nowada…

I can understand it by looking at my own daughters. Without a substantial effort from my part, they tend to gravitate towards nontechnical subjects. Peer pressure, influence from media all play a part in this. The issue is bigger than just a few techi bro's.

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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>But it’s less male, and it suits me better. That's not maleness, that's autism spectrumness. That's tech's real problem. Most of us are on the spectrum somewhere and are socially a complete and utter mess. More 'normal' people can do this job but they don't want to as its endless workaholism and obsession for the most part and keeping up with obsessives isn't fun nor are they pleasant to be around. As someone who wo…

Could you kids not downvote this lad, in fact?

As there is quite some value in his words, seems to me.

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

#27
post #5

Great article and hits on what I think is the main difference between men and women: men seem to be far more likely to become obsessive and devote massive amounts of time to hobbies and study. I mean if you're not popular and girls aren't interested in you, what else are you going to do? And spending years being obsessed with computers is naturally going to lead you down a path towards a degree and job in computers,…

I'm not sure being unpopular or not being the object of attention for girls has anything to do with this. Hobbies on the other hand was a pretty good spot. Nearly every male I know has hobbies that are either directly related to tech or engineering or of not are mechanical engineering or crafting related (e.g. metal working, cars etc.). I know on a very personal level 6 females in tech, including my current partner t…

> I'm not sure being unpopular or not being the object of attention for girls has anything to do with this.

Sure it does. I know if I was popular in school I wouldn't have spent so many Friday nights locked away programming and subsequently honing my craft.

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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post #13

I have never seen any career that is so deeply tied to a certain culture as CS/SWE and a certain culture that I'll call X, to avoid any discussions on naming and so on. I see far more diversity in tastes and interests in most other majors and careers, while in CS/SWE, X seems to hold a monopoly. CS/SWE goes far beyond a career, usually becoming close to a religion or way of life. I rarely see doctors, lawyers, or mos…

You've avoided any discussion at all with your confusing use of a variable instead of just making a clear statement

I agree. I think X = nerd.

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

#29
post #5

Great article and hits on what I think is the main difference between men and women: men seem to be far more likely to become obsessive and devote massive amounts of time to hobbies and study. I mean if you're not popular and girls aren't interested in you, what else are you going to do? And spending years being obsessed with computers is naturally going to lead you down a path towards a degree and job in computers,…

I'm not sure being unpopular or not being the object of attention for girls has anything to do with this. Hobbies on the other hand was a pretty good spot. Nearly every male I know has hobbies that are either directly related to tech or engineering or of not are mechanical engineering or crafting related (e.g. metal working, cars etc.). I know on a very personal level 6 females in tech, including my current partner t…

A. I can name several of them in my subfield.

B. The leap you and McArdle make from nerding out on weekends to career excellence is nowhere evident in practice.

C. That's a pretty offensive generalization you're making, and you'd have been better off without your last sentence.

Re: As a Woman in Tech, I Realized: These Are Not My People

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The memo was making the point that because men have more affinity to things than women, Google should not try for a 50/50 balance between men and women.

The author here says that she enjoyed her work but left because the predominant male co-workers had affinity to things and couldn't relate with them.

If anything the author makes a case for Google's current strategy of striving for 50/50 men women balance, since that would result in the author being able to relate better with the co-workers.

The solution to author's problem is more targeted diversity.

Did I mis-interpret something?

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