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Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by saagarjha »

Snackchez wrote: post #48
protomyth wrote: post #37

One of the problems I find with Swift is that Apple doesn't go back and properly update their sample code at developer.apple.com. They have examples that will not build. If you search you can find folks that have patch sets, but they really need to fix the examples.

This! I tried to learn Swift with the playground that came from "A Swift Tour"... A lot of examples didn't compile and it took WAY too long to figure out that it wasn't a problem on my end. Definitely not a good way to introduce new programming languages to newbies.

I downloaded "A Swift Tour" a week or two ago and it was written in Swift 4 (a fact which I found out when I tried to run it in Swift Playgrounds 1.5). When did you try it?

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by caiob »

ssijak wrote: post #44

And just today I was contemplating writing my first native iOS and macOS app... I was looking at the options and decided to go native with Swift. I have never written Objective-C app and never used x-code for dev. But I have ~10 years of dev experience, mostly Java and Python on the backend and front end dev exp mostly with Angular. Some Android, and a little from because I like to experiment. So, my question is. How…

This is the question I've been asking my iOS dev buddies, with a catch: I want up-to-date resources. None of them were able to share a link so far.

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by paulddraper »

ainar-g wrote: post #3

Maybe someone will explain this to me. Does Swift use this confusing "rapid release" versioning? Does Swift 4 break backwards compatibility with Swift 3? In my company people are looking for a language to rewrite some legacy Objective-C to. Swift is often discarded as "unstable" because of these major version bumps. Compare this to Go, which, seven or so years after the initial release is still 1.x and still doesn't…

By that logic, Chrome and Firefox are unstable platforms, with major version updates every 6-8 months.

Probably no one develops with them.

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by bsaul »

ssijak wrote: post #44

And just today I was contemplating writing my first native iOS and macOS app... I was looking at the options and decided to go native with Swift. I have never written Objective-C app and never used x-code for dev. But I have ~10 years of dev experience, mostly Java and Python on the backend and front end dev exp mostly with Angular. Some Android, and a little from because I like to experiment. So, my question is. How…

Hardest part isn't the language. Swift is among the best languages you can get today. IOS sdk, on the other hand, has become a bit of a mess, due largely to the pace at which the field is moving ( although not as bad as android).

Stanford courses are the best you can find online for free. https://youtu.be/HitSIzPM_6E

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by saagarjha »

protomyth wrote: post #47
saagarjha wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

File a Radar and someone will get around to fixing it: http://bugreport.apple.com/

Yeah, right, that is some serious BS right there. I've filed radars on the Finder (multiple with reproducible crashes), location data, and Quicktime and it holding onto external drives. The only one they have ever fixed is the Quicktime bug but it reappeared later then went away again. Apple is horrible about bugs and providing feedback. Why the heck would I need to file a radar anyway? Doesn't someone at Apple check…

> Apple is horrible about bugs and providing feedback.

Yes, they can be a bit tight-lipped. I have found that they're pretty quick on fixing documentation though. They won't tell you that it's resolved, but it's usually updated within a couple of days.

> Doesn't someone at Apple check the examples to make sure they still work?

I'd expect that they do, but some slip through the cracks. Maybe on of the Apple engineers in this thread could weigh in?

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by andrewljohnson »

ssijak wrote: post #44

And just today I was contemplating writing my first native iOS and macOS app... I was looking at the options and decided to go native with Swift. I have never written Objective-C app and never used x-code for dev. But I have ~10 years of dev experience, mostly Java and Python on the backend and front end dev exp mostly with Angular. Some Android, and a little from because I like to experiment. So, my question is. How…

I'd use react-native if I were you.

I think you'd pick up Swift pretty easily given your polyglot background, but if you already know javascript and you aren't doing something that screams to be native, RN would be my choice. You'll get to work in a familiar language, and get an Android version with much less work than if you do swift.

Best resource to start a react native app I'd say is this, it was really easy for me: https://facebook.github.io/react-native/docs/getting-started...

For Swift, here's a page from Apple, but I just plucked it from Google: https://developer.apple.com/swift/blog/?id=16

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by [deleted] »

ssijak wrote: post #44

And just today I was contemplating writing my first native iOS and macOS app... I was looking at the options and decided to go native with Swift. I have never written Objective-C app and never used x-code for dev. But I have ~10 years of dev experience, mostly Java and Python on the backend and front end dev exp mostly with Angular. Some Android, and a little from because I like to experiment. So, my question is. How…

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Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by ssijak »

caiob wrote: post #52
ssijak wrote: post #44

And just today I was contemplating writing my first native iOS and macOS app... I was looking at the options and decided to go native with Swift. I have never written Objective-C app and never used x-code for dev. But I have ~10 years of dev experience, mostly Java and Python on the backend and front end dev exp mostly with Angular. Some Android, and a little from because I like to experiment. So, my question is. How…

This is the question I've been asking my iOS dev buddies, with a catch: I want up-to-date resources. None of them were able to share a link so far.

Yeah, up-to-date was assumed in my post. I don`t want a post about Objective-C from 2012.

I don`t know if it is against the guidelines to post this kind of links but I found this https://designcode.io/ (I have 0 affiliations with the product) that looks just like what I need. From 0 to app in the newest stack, would probably buy and try it if somebody does not have something better in mind?

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by ssijak »

bsaul wrote: post #54
ssijak wrote: post #44

And just today I was contemplating writing my first native iOS and macOS app... I was looking at the options and decided to go native with Swift. I have never written Objective-C app and never used x-code for dev. But I have ~10 years of dev experience, mostly Java and Python on the backend and front end dev exp mostly with Angular. Some Android, and a little from because I like to experiment. So, my question is. How…

Hardest part isn't the language. Swift is among the best languages you can get today. IOS sdk, on the other hand, has become a bit of a mess, due largely to the pace at which the field is moving ( although not as bad as android). Stanford courses are the best you can find online for free. https://youtu.be/HitSIzPM_6E

Thanks, this looks really promising!

Re: Swift 5: start your engines

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Post by melling »

protomyth wrote: post #37

One of the problems I find with Swift is that Apple doesn't go back and properly update their sample code at developer.apple.com. They have examples that will not build. If you search you can find folks that have patch sets, but they really need to fix the examples.

I don't think that matters. The iOS Swift community is large enough that there's lots of example code. I've got almost 7000 urls in my database of Swift blogs:

http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?age=90 - Last 90 days

Take a look at a weekly view: http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?week=0

Most topics get sufficient coverage. If you don't mind paying a small monthly fee, Ray Wenderlich's site has lots of tutorials that are well maintained. Plenty of free examples too:

https://www.raywenderlich.com

Another pay site that is be useful if you want to come up to speed quickly is http://nsscreencast.com

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