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Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

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Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#31

Well, bitcoin makes people who think that they are smart, realize that they are way less smart than they thought they were. The author understands that he could impossibly understand the underlying mechanics of bitcoin. Hence, he came to realize that there must be other people, who are substantially smarter than he is.

This happens when trying to study anything really.

The more you learn, the more you realize just how much there is to learn.

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#32
post #18

Author is projecting. Replaced "me" with "people" in writing this. Considered himself smart; tried to wrap head around Bitcoin, but lacks math/cs/finance background, and or curiosity to dig below surface level hype or read blockchain-y things beyond what's written by other lazy journalists ...? (now I'm projecting). Doesn't 'get it'. Plenty of people understand Bitcoin. Go read the whitepaper.

Which is what makes Bitcoin's democratic credentials so ridiculous. "It will free us from fiat money!" No it won't. It's just a transfer of wealth from educated elite to other educated elite. 99% of the world's population can't understand it. 99.5% can't mine it. It's so damn elitist that it's not even funny.

F*k 'em, they can eat their prayers and nationalism.

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#33
post #2

Hyperbole - it's not really that hard. But it uses maths, so maybe not everybody has the stomach to try to understand it.

The whitepaper is mostly in layman's terms. It isn't hard, think many just refuse to start from the start.

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/bitcoin/

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#34
post #5

The cryptosystem part is hard, but the rest is not all that complicated. The economics, though, are very strange. Valuing a cryptocoin is really hard. It's like valuing a penny stock with no business activity.

But isn't valuing a penny stock with no business activity really easy?

Oh BTW there are people manipulating this stock behind the scenes. Is it still easy to predict the price?

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#35
post #18

Author is projecting. Replaced "me" with "people" in writing this. Considered himself smart; tried to wrap head around Bitcoin, but lacks math/cs/finance background, and or curiosity to dig below surface level hype or read blockchain-y things beyond what's written by other lazy journalists ...? (now I'm projecting). Doesn't 'get it'. Plenty of people understand Bitcoin. Go read the whitepaper.

Which is what makes Bitcoin's democratic credentials so ridiculous. "It will free us from fiat money!" No it won't. It's just a transfer of wealth from educated elite to other educated elite. 99% of the world's population can't understand it. 99.5% can't mine it. It's so damn elitist that it's not even funny.

The key difference is that you can _learn_ what Bitcoin is. And you can do it on your own, without prestigious colleges and country clubs.

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#36
post #18

Author is projecting. Replaced "me" with "people" in writing this. Considered himself smart; tried to wrap head around Bitcoin, but lacks math/cs/finance background, and or curiosity to dig below surface level hype or read blockchain-y things beyond what's written by other lazy journalists ...? (now I'm projecting). Doesn't 'get it'. Plenty of people understand Bitcoin. Go read the whitepaper.

Reading the whitepaper isn't really enough since there are non-obvious emergent effects that it doesn't mention.

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#37
post #18

Author is projecting. Replaced "me" with "people" in writing this. Considered himself smart; tried to wrap head around Bitcoin, but lacks math/cs/finance background, and or curiosity to dig below surface level hype or read blockchain-y things beyond what's written by other lazy journalists ...? (now I'm projecting). Doesn't 'get it'. Plenty of people understand Bitcoin. Go read the whitepaper.

Which is what makes Bitcoin's democratic credentials so ridiculous. "It will free us from fiat money!" No it won't. It's just a transfer of wealth from educated elite to other educated elite. 99% of the world's population can't understand it. 99.5% can't mine it. It's so damn elitist that it's not even funny.

Many people in Venezuela have turned to Bitcoin mining in a desperate attempt to fend off starvation and keep their families alive.

http://bitcoinist.com/starving-venezuelans-turn-to-bitcoin-m...

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#38
post #18

Author is projecting. Replaced "me" with "people" in writing this. Considered himself smart; tried to wrap head around Bitcoin, but lacks math/cs/finance background, and or curiosity to dig below surface level hype or read blockchain-y things beyond what's written by other lazy journalists ...? (now I'm projecting). Doesn't 'get it'. Plenty of people understand Bitcoin. Go read the whitepaper.

Which is what makes Bitcoin's democratic credentials so ridiculous. "It will free us from fiat money!" No it won't. It's just a transfer of wealth from educated elite to other educated elite. 99% of the world's population can't understand it. 99.5% can't mine it. It's so damn elitist that it's not even funny.

Very true. Even more so, fiat money is democratic as long as the government controlling it is. With something like bitcoin, it cements the establishment and removes fiscal policy options.

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#39

When we say we "understand money" we mean we know how to spend it, aquire it and store it. When someone says they "understand bitcoin" it means grappling with cryptography, mining, ledgers, economics, game theory, fiat currencies, deflation, dapps, etc. etc. Very few people need to really understand all of that to "get" bitcoin, mainly because most of the use cases aren't figured out. Most people are overthinking at…

Yeah, I have a rough idea of how bitcoin works and I also have a rough idea of how the current banking system works. Enough that I am able to use them both but I certainly am not going to be giving talks on either of them. There are still times when the standard banking system is a blackbox to many people, they just know that it works and are happy to leave it at that.

Re: Bitcoin Makes Even Smart People Feel Dumb

#40

When we say we "understand money" we mean we know how to spend it, aquire it and store it. When someone says they "understand bitcoin" it means grappling with cryptography, mining, ledgers, economics, game theory, fiat currencies, deflation, dapps, etc. etc. Very few people need to really understand all of that to "get" bitcoin, mainly because most of the use cases aren't figured out. Most people are overthinking at…

> Very few people need to really understand all of that to "get" bitcoin Except when a fork comes, or why control of 51% of the hashing power is bad.

Yes, that is complicated.

But equally messy was the origination of the Euro. Equally messy (maybe even more so) was the introduction of "legal tender" in the US in the 1860s-1890s. Equally messy was the abolition of "National Bank Notes" and the brief period where we had bank notes, Federal Reserve notes, United States notes, and Silver Certificates all existing and only mostly compatible. Or the Indian demonetization of the 500 Rs note. Or the Cypriot bank seizures. Less messy, but still complicated for those affected by it, was the seizure of gold bullion or the closing of the redemption window in the US.

Money is complicated, and Bitcoin has less history than any of these currencies.

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