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Re: Disney acquires own streaming facilities, will pull Netflix content

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Post by dragonwriter »

thanatropism wrote: post #644
hellofunk wrote: post #603

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> thanks Netflix for their growing self produced content that often has a quality not seen before s/often/rarely There are some good shows on Netflix, but they are in the minority, in my opinion. Tastes vary, of course. But a lot of their original programming is not so original, it just feels like filler content to increase the perceived value of the platform. For every good original show they make like House of Card…

I find them better than TV, pound for pound. For example, _Backstrom_ is a shitty House clone in many senses, but is a much better detective show than _Elementary_. They have more feedback data and often great "production values" (i.e. they spent the extra money to make it nice). It doesn't always pay off (how stupid was _Marseille_, with Gerard Depardieu at his best acting chops in years and a political story that m…

Uh, Backstrom was a broadcast (Fox) series cancelled after a single season. It's not a Netflix original, so it's alleged superiority to successful broadcast series like Elementary is not, even granting for the sake of argument that it is superior, an indication of the superiority of Netflix's shows.

Re: Disney acquires own streaming facilities, will pull Netflix content

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Post by busterarm »

siliconviking wrote: post #688
busterarm wrote: post #256

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Maybe because people have a little bit more pricing data than they used to and know what $10 of programming is worth. Your $80/mo cable bundle is split something like: $12 taxes, $43 ESPN, $9 Viacom and the rest split by everyone else. $10 buys a lot.

Source for the $43 claim? I thought it was closer to $6 a month.

Slight hyperbole. Figures you'll find are on average as the deals are negotiated individually with each cable company.

Most are actually paying $20-25. At the cable company that I worked for, the regional incumbent provider for an area that served golf resorts and the surrounding community, I think it was roughly $36.

Re: Disney acquires own streaming facilities, will pull Netflix content

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Post by heygrady »

geff82 wrote: post #112

Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. For a truly complete platform, I would FOR SURE pay more than the 10$ a month for Netflix. 20, maybe 30! But then I want it ALL. All films they have in storage. I mean, it is 2017 and there are a lot of films I can't find on Netflix, Amazon Prime or, when I am in…

> [Streaming is] the big asset [movie studios] could build on!

The movie studios likely don't see it this way. Tickets and merchandising are still the two main pillars of the industry. Home viewing is still the bottom end of the market [1]. The embrace of streaming represents a loss of revenue, not a gain of consumer good will [6].

Physical media (DVD/BluRay) are much more lucrative. Studios have an incentive to keep selling a pennies-worth of plastic for $20. Streaming represents a major loss of revenue and the studios will stall and delay until consumer demand forces them to change.

People still buy millions of BluRay movies each year [2]. Now the studios are trying to compete directly with Netflix, rather than embrace the changing consumer landscape. This is largely a continuation of Blockbuster's long, slow demise [3].

In order to feed the lucrative parts of the distribution chain (movie tickets, merch, physical media), Hollywood is increasingly churning out "big" movies. This has spawned a new phenomenon called "super hero fatigue" [5]. Many are predicting the demise of blockbusters altogether in the near future [4].

But don't expect studios to change until it's proven that they can't make money the old way.

[1] http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-ex...

[2] http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/blu-ray/263154/falling-dv...

[3] https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/11/06/3-bonehead...

[4] http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-blockbuster-movie-bubble-wil...

[5] http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/10-signs-that-you-ha...

[6] http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-home-vide...

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Post by cfmcdonald »

SllX wrote: post #448
cfmcdonald wrote: post #397

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Where do you pay $5 for coffee? I think you are getting ripped off.

Used to work in a café. It's not the coffee people are paying for, it's all the milk and sugar added on top. Unless you go to Philz*. Sometimes you're also paying for quality, but even then that only comes out to about a dollar premium, but a latte is literally just a crapton of steamed milk poured over some coffee, plus whatever syrups and other crap (chocolate and maybe whipped cream if you want a mocha) thrown in.…

Okay, but then you're not talking about a coffee any more. I typically pay ~$1.50 for a coffee, and it takes only a few seconds of labor (often just giving me a cup so I can fill it myself).

Edit: Missed the pour over part, yes if you want to pay and wait for that. I'm not convinced that there's any discernable difference from a regular drip coffee that would stand up to a blind taste test (cf wine tasting).

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Post by frik »

geff82 wrote: post #112

Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. For a truly complete platform, I would FOR SURE pay more than the 10$ a month for Netflix. 20, maybe 30! But then I want it ALL. All films they have in storage. I mean, it is 2017 and there are a lot of films I can't find on Netflix, Amazon Prime or, when I am in…

> Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business.

You mean DRM free video MP4 files like the DRM free audio MP3 files on Amazon.com, iTunes and elsewhere? Yes, that would be a starting point.

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Post by bsder »

croon wrote: post #650
bsder wrote: post #532

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> Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. Except that the music business continues to shrink each year. The only reason there was a slight pause in this is because suddenly vinyl sales, of all things, took off. Somehow I don't think you are going to find many takers in the video industry for following a…

> Except that the music business continues to shrink each year. What do you base this on? I googled a bit "music industry revenue" and only the opposite came up. http://www.ifpi.org/news/IFPI-GLOBAL-MUSIC-REPORT-2017

Then you didn't look very far.

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/global-record-industr...

Almost a straight line from 1999 with 26.6 billion to 14.97 billion in 2014.

Quoting your source:

> Total revenues for 2016 were US$15.7 billion.

Quoting here: http://www.ifpi.org/facts-and-stats.php

> This growth, however, should be viewed in the context of the industry losing nearly 40% of its revenues in the preceding 15 years.

Re: Disney acquires own streaming facilities, will pull Netflix content

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Post by aggie »

rpiguy wrote: post #700
blitmap wrote: post #696

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For me I think movies mean less than they used to. We are spoiled with the amount of entertainment constantly being released to us nowadays. I will not go buy a movie or see a movie at the theater anymore - no matter what it is. It could be the most anticipated film in a half a decade and I'll still wait for it to be conveniently streamed to me. Maybe I'm getting old, but I feel like people don't create movie librari…

It is a well known phenomenon that abundance decreases the amount of "specialness" we feel for things. It is true for music, comics, really anything that used to take effort to find and acquire. It is like a psychological corollary to supply and demand, and also why luxury goods lose their magic when they move down market.

The science on this (choice overload) is actually rather ambiguous.

[pdf] http://www.scheibehenne.de/ScheibehenneGreifenederTodd2010.p...

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Post by yvhhjbb »

blitmap wrote: post #696
geff82 wrote: post #112

Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. For a truly complete platform, I would FOR SURE pay more than the 10$ a month for Netflix. 20, maybe 30! But then I want it ALL. All films they have in storage. I mean, it is 2017 and there are a lot of films I can't find on Netflix, Amazon Prime or, when I am in…

For me I think movies mean less than they used to. We are spoiled with the amount of entertainment constantly being released to us nowadays. I will not go buy a movie or see a movie at the theater anymore - no matter what it is. It could be the most anticipated film in a half a decade and I'll still wait for it to be conveniently streamed to me. Maybe I'm getting old, but I feel like people don't create movie librari…

> Disney thinks I'll tack on another streaming service to watch Mulan or Captain America: Civil War - but they're wrong...

How long have you been single for, if you don't mind me asking?

It's not for you dude, it's for the kids.

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Post by npsimons »

blitmap wrote: post #696
geff82 wrote: post #112

Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. For a truly complete platform, I would FOR SURE pay more than the 10$ a month for Netflix. 20, maybe 30! But then I want it ALL. All films they have in storage. I mean, it is 2017 and there are a lot of films I can't find on Netflix, Amazon Prime or, when I am in…

For me I think movies mean less than they used to. We are spoiled with the amount of entertainment constantly being released to us nowadays. I will not go buy a movie or see a movie at the theater anymore - no matter what it is. It could be the most anticipated film in a half a decade and I'll still wait for it to be conveniently streamed to me. Maybe I'm getting old, but I feel like people don't create movie librari…

> I will not go buy a movie or see a movie at the theater anymore - no matter what it is. It could be the most anticipated film in a half a decade and I'll still wait for it to be conveniently streamed to me.

I feel much the same way, but I'll add one thing: I find I spend too much time passively consuming, to the point I am trying to bring back a 1 specific night a week to watch something I think will be edifying and entertaining.

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Post by npsimons »

nxsynonym wrote: post #69
Anatidae wrote: post #30

If every studio thinks I'm going to pay them $10+ a month to stream their content, they are going to be very mistaken. I can't imagine that a lot of people want to spend the collective hundreds of dollars to sign up for all the streaming services. It's almost asking to drive people to torrents. Now, if Disney does something like $30/year or something really affordable - sure. I might do that on a whim. I guess it's a…

Agreed. I only pay for netflix and HBO (and amazon, but that's a bonus for paying for prime). HBO doesn't feel like "extra" because it's always been an optional add-on that costs more. First all the "major" studios will split and start charing $10/month. Then adds will start creeping back in. Before you know it everyone will be paying for an ad-hoc cable subscription. I think a better option would be to do what Amazo…

> Then adds will start creeping back in.

When this happens, I will drop that service, full stop. I don't pay to be advertised to.

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