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Because credit card companies offer incentives to sign up for their cards. A lot of people here regularly carry a lot of debt on their cards, and the credit card companies know if they give those users more cards to juggle around their debt on, they can leach more money from them. For financially responsible people, that means you can sometimes get a few freebees if you're willing to deal with the hassle. I don't kno…

I'm British, and while some people have credit cards, most people I know don't. I have a bank debit card and I use the single card to pay for pretty much everything I don't pay for directly with cash. I have zero debt, because I always pay up front for everything. I do get lots of junk mail for credit cards, have done for decades, so I could get one tomorrow if I desired. But I don't see any real value in doing so; w…

I use a (n.b. singular, not multiple) credit card from AMEX for the benefits. (Particularly excellent travel insurance and car rental benefits.) I make sure to never spend more than I can pay off at the end of the month, so that I don't actually ever get into debt. My own money is resting nicely in a bank account until the credit card bill arrives.

I never spend my own money directly unless I have to (e.g. the merchant doesn't accept AMEX or only takes cash etc.) because should I end up with fraudulent transactions or lose my card or whatever it may be, I have actual cash to back it up.

If you're fiscally responsible and make sure to always pay off the bill at the end of the month (with all that money you didn't spend) then credit cards are pretty much nothing but benefit. There may be a yearly fee associated (my card has one) with it but I've found it to be worth it for the benefits alone, but I also rack up so many points that I can use those to pay for the fee.

Re: Why Germans pay cash for almost everything

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As a German a) I don't want to feed the Visa/Mastercard/Amex/Whatever leach earning a few cents of every transaction.

Not German, but I simply don't want to leave my trail of what I am spending and where.

Same here.

Also, been a couple of times in the situation where either the shop's card terminal was malfunctioning, or the bank had some issues, and the card payment was impossible. Without cash you'd be helpless in such a situation, whereas cash = power & independence.

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> If your gross profit (not including rent and other fixed costs) at a restaurant is, say, 80%, do you still think 1% CC fees are silly? That's a question, but that's not what things look like. Many German businesses are operating at razor-thin margins, or even at losses. From farmers (which lose around 13ct for every liter milk sold) to small restaurants (often making losses on all of the food, and only minor profit…

7% CC fees? Are you crazy? The EU regulated it at less than 1%.

The EU regulated VISA and MasterCard, and only since a year ago.

AMEX still takes 7% fees, even today, and even MasterCard and VISA could take those fees in 2015 still.

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According to https://www.cashforless.de/ec_cash_info/Fakten_zur_Kartenzah... methods for payments in stores 2011 was 57% cash, 5.3% credit card, 33% debit card ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cash ). > "of course, [the Germans] attitudes toward currency must owe something to Germany’s tumultuous monetary history. During the Weimar-era hyperinflation that peaked in 1923 [...]" > "the German tendency to sett…

> As a German I call that theory into question. Our currency has been stable for 60+ years. Also as a German, OUR currency has been stable for 26 years. I'd still question the theory.

Wouldn't it be only 15 years? (Since switching to a new currency)

Re: Why Germans pay cash for almost everything

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According to https://www.cashforless.de/ec_cash_info/Fakten_zur_Kartenzah... methods for payments in stores 2011 was 57% cash, 5.3% credit card, 33% debit card ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cash ). > "of course, [the Germans] attitudes toward currency must owe something to Germany’s tumultuous monetary history. During the Weimar-era hyperinflation that peaked in 1923 [...]" > "the German tendency to sett…

> As a German I call that theory into question. Our currency has been stable for 60+ years. Also as a German, OUR currency has been stable for 26 years. I'd still question the theory.

Wouldn't it be only 15 years? (Since switching to a new currency)

Re: Why Germans pay cash for almost everything

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As a Swiss German I think the currency stability argument is moot. Swiss Frank is one of the most stable currencies available and we still have a similar attitude to cash as Germans. IMO it's mainly due to the following reasons: 1) CC is slow, at least in Switzerland. Like in Germany, efficiency is baked into the culture - people hate to wait on someone paying his chocolate bar with credit card. It's also not rare fo…

Interesting. At least in my experience in the us, people paying cash is much, much slower than using credit or debit. All it takes is one customer paying cash to turn a fast register into a storefront-filling queue.

In my experience (in the US) it is the one person paying with a check that does that. And checks are extremely common in grocery and other big box stores here. Cash is usually not a significant slow down compared to debit or credit, possibly in part because of time spent fussing with PINs or signing receipts.

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7% CC fees? Are you crazy? The EU regulated it at less than 1%.

The EU regulated VISA and MasterCard, and only since a year ago. AMEX still takes 7% fees, even today, and even MasterCard and VISA could take those fees in 2015 still.

Ok, don't accept AMEX then (that's common for a lot of shops to not accept in the UK).

It's definitely not 7% though, considering Stripe offers AMEX processing for 1.4% in the EU.

Can't see any reason not to accept MC/Visa now though.

Re: Why Germans pay cash for almost everything

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Also, almost every store accept touch-pay method where you just touch your CC with the terminal and it is payed without entering pin or providing signature. Only works if the amount is less then 25 EUR but still it is much faster then cash.

This is only true for big chain things. Pretty much everywhere in Europe I've been.

Now failed to buy anything in the linz, AT trainstation where I checked a few selectors and smaller stores.

Whatever you think. This is central Europe and visible Badly supported

Re: Why Germans pay cash for almost everything

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But Germans don't trust contactless payment because in theory anybody could hold a card reader against your wallet while you're innocently waiting in some line.

The defence against that for me is that I have like 6 rfid enabled cards in my wallet, between my Oyster Card, student ID, library card, key card to access my work building, you can't scan any of them without taking it out individually.

I carry two contactless cards: the metro pass and an office key. They are just taped together (because I want to make sure I always have both) and still reliably work, so I doubt you are protected.

Re: Why Germans pay cash for almost everything

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The EU regulated VISA and MasterCard, and only since a year ago. AMEX still takes 7% fees, even today, and even MasterCard and VISA could take those fees in 2015 still.

Ok, don't accept AMEX then (that's common for a lot of shops to not accept in the UK). It's definitely not 7% though, considering Stripe offers AMEX processing for 1.4% in the EU. Can't see any reason not to accept MC/Visa now though.

> Can't see any reason not to accept MC/Visa now though.

Still 10 times higher fees than with the German card systems. If your profit margin is 1.4%, you can't afford 2.2% credit card fees. And if you increase the price, all customers go to the cheaper competitor.

German stores are in a reaaaaal close competition with these things.

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