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Disney acquires own streaming facilities, will pull Netflix content

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Post by coldtea »

na85 wrote: post #606
Joeri wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to look up the dictionary definition of stealing. Besides, it's still harmful to others and therefore wrong.

If I steal your car, you lose your car. If I pirate your film, you may or may not have lost out on a sale. Probably I wasn't willing to pay for your awful SpywareDataHarvesting as a Service content platform so it's debatable whether or not you truly lost anything.

I lost control over my work. How about that? Even if I haven't lost the original, who exactly gave you the permission to watch my work?

Do you also sneak into live shows without paying the cover charge? After all a live band doesn't lose money when you sneak into the theater either. And you can argue that you might have never opted to pay the ticket in the first place if you couldn't sneak. So, as long as there's enough room for other people and you're not causing them lost tickets, it's ok too?

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Post by almostarockstar »

geff82 wrote: post #112

Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. For a truly complete platform, I would FOR SURE pay more than the 10$ a month for Netflix. 20, maybe 30! But then I want it ALL. All films they have in storage. I mean, it is 2017 and there are a lot of films I can't find on Netflix, Amazon Prime or, when I am in…

> a solution that has long been found in the music business.

A lot of people have commented that the music solution is not ideal in a number of ways from the 'demand' side, but I don't think anybody has mentioned how the music business is broken from the 'supply' side.

It is next to impossible to make a living from music for the vast majority of musicians and producers out there. The obvious argument is that if you cant sell, your quality isn't good enough but that's actually not true in my opinion. Distribution is severely unbalanced - and if the movie industry continued in this direction, all we will ever see is Spiderman remakes.

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Post by coldtea »

Chris2048 wrote: post #572
Joeri wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to look up the dictionary definition of stealing. Besides, it's still harmful to others and therefore wrong.

The word existed before digital content. By your own logic; corporate protectionism is also harmful to others, so that is wrong too?

>The word existed before digital content.

So? Words get revised when society/technology/etc changes.

Besides copyright existed before digital content too.

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

boyce wrote: post #576
vincnetas wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pirating != stealing.

Yeah yeah Frankenstein is the maker, not the monster Linux is just the kernel Etc

...yes, these are all true statements and you should use correct descriptions of you want to be understood.

- calling pirates thieves is a leap that will undermine your argument by assuming harm that's not shown - have any serious discussion about Frankenstein's morality while confusing him with his monster and no one will understand you - I write this from a Linux device, but because it is an Android/Linux device is has a completely different experience than a GNU/Linux system, and you can have that experience on GNU/kFreeBSD or GNU/NT just as well.

Semantics matter. Words make a difference. Please don't miscommunicate just because misunderstanding helps your side in an argument.

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Post by coldtea »

tiku wrote: post #595
geff82 wrote: post #112

Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. For a truly complete platform, I would FOR SURE pay more than the 10$ a month for Netflix. 20, maybe 30! But then I want it ALL. All films they have in storage. I mean, it is 2017 and there are a lot of films I can't find on Netflix, Amazon Prime or, when I am in…

Even a 10 cents per movie pricing strategy would generate millions of dollars for older movies. I just don't get why they don't just try this strategy..

There was this idea that if you had all movies available the long tail (obscure, old etc movies) would still be watched by at least some people, but in practice most people just stick to what's new/mainstream/known, so that it's not worth the extra hassle to maintain a long tail library.

Tons of tracks on online music stores for example are never streamed or only a handful of times.

(Of course the limited stuff e.g. Netflix has, is by no means not even the 10% of possible content).

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Post by coldtea »

dorfsmay wrote: post #587
geff82 wrote: post #112

Maybe when I am 60, 70 or 80 the film industry will get their shi* together and finally agree on a solution that has long been found in the music business. For a truly complete platform, I would FOR SURE pay more than the 10$ a month for Netflix. 20, maybe 30! But then I want it ALL. All films they have in storage. I mean, it is 2017 and there are a lot of films I can't find on Netflix, Amazon Prime or, when I am in…

I don't even care about flat rate, charge me a couple dollars (and more if it was just out in the cinema, I don't want to go to a room full of stranger to watch a movie) per movie/show but. I'm even OK to have to use 3 different providers, but not being able to watch a movie because there is no agreement for the country I'm in is ridiculous.

>I don't want to go to a room full of stranger to watch a movie

Sharing a cultural artifact with others outside a small social bubble is one of the great enjoyments of going to the cinema.

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Post by boyce »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #614
boyce wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah yeah Frankenstein is the maker, not the monster Linux is just the kernel Etc

...yes, these are all true statements and you should use correct descriptions of you want to be understood. - calling pirates thieves is a leap that will undermine your argument by assuming harm that's not shown - have any serious discussion about Frankenstein's morality while confusing him with his monster and no one will understand you - I write this from a Linux device, but because it is an Android/Linux device is…

What do you think my side is and of what argument

It's a shorthand which I'm sure everyone else understood. Sorry if you were confused.

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Post by Chris2048 »

coldtea wrote: post #613
Chris2048 wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word existed before digital content. By your own logic; corporate protectionism is also harmful to others, so that is wrong too?

> The word existed before digital content. So? Words get revised when society/technology/etc changes. Besides copyright existed before digital content too.

> Words get revised

In this case, society adopted the word "piracy" to represent the new semantic, whereas the recording industry chose "stealing" so as to conflate the issue. The word war is not a neutral process.

> copyright existed before digital content too

And it's application in modern times is increasingly contrived and outdated. Since when was it decided that mandatory "remastering" was a reasonable condition to repay for a media all over again? Why would I have to pay additional fees just to use a different medium (mobile phone vs laptop, for example).

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

kutkloon7 wrote: post #618

I will probably get downvoted, but I find it annoying that articles which are relevant only in the US omit this simple fact in the title. The US is an important country, but only about 5% of the world population lives there.

16% of the worlds' gdp
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