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Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by remarkEon »

mvid wrote: post #8
flukus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> StackOverflow already took an "open-borders, anti-Trump, or get out mentality", so its not a stretch to say that any right leaning belief, or more acurately any non-extreme left belief will be under fire from more and more companies. This approach is burning bridges and giving up on any attempt to convince the other side. They'll still hold their views and they'll be forced into a bubble where their views are reinf…

People "in the middle" are not attending white power rallies.

True, but they do get turned off when people and politicians who are seemingly "normal" people get branded an alt right neo Nazi (Jake Tapper was accused of this for challenging Linda Saraour). So, sure, the voter in Wisconsin who voted for Obama twice and pulled the lever for Trump this time isn't listening to Richard Spencer podcasts and larping at white power rallies - but as the Left continues to paint in broader strokes I see the likelihood of Trump winning again increasing.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by Frondo »

nodesocket wrote: post #9

The epidemic problem with bay area companies mixing their leftist politics and business is very disconcerting. They are alienating the majority population of the country, and are acting in the same manner as groups they claim to loathe. It is pure hypocrisy. Bay area companies enjoy diversity and inclusion, as long as it fits within their narrative.

Shouldn't this be a situation where the market decides, then?

AirBNB, developed in leftist SF: No white supremacists on our system.

AryanBNB, developed in northern Idaho: White supremacists welcome!

If people are really that turned off by AirBNB banning white supremacists, they'd flock to AryanBNB, wouldn't they?

For my part, I just don't think this slope is that slippery. I'd happily prohibit white supremacists from using any service I ever developed, or if I ever opened a retail shop, I'd happily ask them to leave (reserving the right to refuse service and all that).

But that's just me. Surely the white supremacists can develop short-term rental apps to cater to everyone, can't they? (They wouldn't prohibit any specific groups from using their services, I'm sure, ha ha.)

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by msie »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #6

As a non-American, I find it quite worrying that American companies (specifically tech and SV ones) that operate globally are so eager to police politics on their platforms. While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group. StackOverflow already took an "open-borders, anti-Trump, or get out mentality", so its not a stretch t…

While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group.

Equating White power groups with other groups is truly foolish. There is no debate about whether their views are beneficial or have any merit. They will not care about you if the situations were reversed.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by Frondo »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #6

As a non-American, I find it quite worrying that American companies (specifically tech and SV ones) that operate globally are so eager to police politics on their platforms. While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group. StackOverflow already took an "open-borders, anti-Trump, or get out mentality", so its not a stretch t…

"While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group."

And AirBNB has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, outside the protected classes of race, gender, etc.

Political views aren't a protected class in the U.S. They can ban people for any old reason, and if there isn't any general backlash against banning white supremacists, there'll be no specific negative consequence to this action.

The leap from "white supremacists not allowed" to "any non-extreme left belief not allowed" does not make sense.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by abawany »

drewrv wrote: post #25
malandrew wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there are people in the middle that believe in the constitutional right to assembly and association.

Few in the middle believe these rights obligate a private company to host objectional material.

You would be surprised how many people do not understand that the First Amendment applies to the government. A former manager, a seemingly rational person, once started to rant about pro-liberal censorship on Twitter (during the time that Yiannopoulos person was banned) and how that is a violation of his First Amendment rights. It took a few assertions on my part to finally get it through his head that that was not a valid argument on his part.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by Raynak »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #6

As a non-American, I find it quite worrying that American companies (specifically tech and SV ones) that operate globally are so eager to police politics on their platforms. While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group. StackOverflow already took an "open-borders, anti-Trump, or get out mentality", so its not a stretch t…

> While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group.

So no right.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by legostormtroopr »

Raynak wrote: post #37
legostormtroopr wrote: post #6

As a non-American, I find it quite worrying that American companies (specifically tech and SV ones) that operate globally are so eager to police politics on their platforms. While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group. StackOverflow already took an "open-borders, anti-Trump, or get out mentality", so its not a stretch t…

> While I don't agree with White power rallies (which should go without saying), they have as much right to service as any other political group. So no right.

Except when we let bad actors use that exact same justification, then its ok for a christian baker to not make a cake for a gay wedding.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by celdon25 »

abawany wrote: post #36
drewrv wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few in the middle believe these rights obligate a private company to host objectional material.

You would be surprised how many people do not understand that the First Amendment applies to the government. A former manager, a seemingly rational person, once started to rant about pro-liberal censorship on Twitter (during the time that Yiannopoulos person was banned) and how that is a violation of his First Amendment rights. It took a few assertions on my part to finally get it through his head that that was not a…

When the only speech that is relevant has been reduced to that which is published or broadcast with mass media; and when nearly all such venues are policed by supporters of the left, in a private context; then the Democratic party only needs to set the narrative in order to discredit or silence their opponents in relevant venues. This to me, is a tactic to circumvent the first amendment, and is very much done so by a major political party. Perhaps it is you who actually does not understand.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by Larrikin »

flukus wrote: post #21
nodesocket wrote: post #9

The epidemic problem with bay area companies mixing their leftist politics and business is very disconcerting. They are alienating the majority population of the country, and are acting in the same manner as groups they claim to loathe. It is pure hypocrisy. Bay area companies enjoy diversity and inclusion, as long as it fits within their narrative.

They're alienating people like myself who are firmly on the left. The left used to care about socio-economics, but they've abandoned the white working class (and the working class of every minority) in favor of identity politics. The left used to care about everyone getting access to a decent education and healthcare instead of denigrating the poor as racist rednecks. The left used to be in favor of helping their nei…

Your imagined idea of the left is probably fine with you leaving if you are leaving because a group can't spread a message of death against black people. The high road against disagreeable speech is fine, but aligning yourself with groups that have killed based on race shouldn't allow you to have the benefit of the doubt.
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