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Re: Disney acquires own streaming facilities, will pull Netflix content

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Post by bredren » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 3:54 AM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #262

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Netflix may have added 600 hours but have you plumbed what Netflix adds? Most of the content is crap. Content is not a numbers game it is a hits game. "Star Wars is worth more than harry potter and james bond combined."[1] Just the first 6 episodes of Star Wars is 17 hours of footage. This does not include special features, cartoons and other offshoots in this franchise. Access to this on a whim, along with immediate…

Content is hits+depth. You do the 30 day trial to watch star wars, then stay on because you find other stuff you like. Unless you're going to watch a different star wars movie every week[1], you can just rent or buy the star wars movies for cheap. 1: By 2019 there should be about a dozen feature-length star wars movies, counting the 3 2-hour television specials, so you're right that just star wars movies is not that…

Truly, I think you're underestimating what people will pay for to get exclusive content in their core interest. Star Wars film releases are rapidly becoming an annual, family tradition for movie goers.

When you can drip out production updates and use electronic marketing channels to hype them or include fan AMA type stuff, there is big potential here to keep people around.

But to your point, if you take Star Wars out of the picture, you still get the entire Disney film collection. Just about every middle class family in America in the 90s had some portion of the Disney VHS collection on their shelves.

I don't see this desire for easy access to familiar, high quality, family-friendly content going away. I see it increasing.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 3:55 AM UTC

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Atleast 50% of the marvel content on your list are Netflix Owned Orginals, they can not pulled to Disney's new service. This would be Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, Punisher. It is highly unlikely Netflix would be stupid enough not to have those locked down. Agents of Shield I believe a ABC owned production, and would be governed under what ever terms Netflix and ABC have, Same with Inhuma…

Based on both an article from the announcement time [1] and the wiki page [2] the Defenders are jointly produced by Marvel TV and ABC Studios, merely distributed by Netflix. If that is true[3], then Disney (which owns Marvel and ABC) owns the rights to them, and once the current contract expires Netflix will no longer be able to distribute (stream) any of the Defenders series. That would apply to Agents of Shield as…

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Post by Figs » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 3:58 AM UTC

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Agreed. I only pay for netflix and HBO (and amazon, but that's a bonus for paying for prime). HBO doesn't feel like "extra" because it's always been an optional add-on that costs more. First all the "major" studios will split and start charing $10/month. Then adds will start creeping back in. Before you know it everyone will be paying for an ad-hoc cable subscription. I think a better option would be to do what Amazo…

Unfortunately, Amazon is a large part of the problem too. People who want to watch Japanese cartoons get to pay for yet another streaming service, and for years there was a split where we had to pay for both Crunchyroll and Funimation. We finally saw light at the end of the tunnel with the advent of a partnership to share content. Only it turned out to be an Amazon freight train in the form of Anime Strike, which not…

I buy DVDs. My data cap is too low to stream, and I can't get a higher one. (I've tried.) Netflix and whoever licensing shows for streaming only really pisses me off because then there's no way for me to watch those shows.

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Post by bredren » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 3:59 AM UTC

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If all major studios pull their content from Netflix, then it will not have the large library size anymore. Also Disney is currently in a strong position for this right now. They released ~10 movies in 2016 and had the 4 highest grossing films of 2016. This, of course, assumes that Marvel and Lucasfilm properties are put on the Disney streaming service (I would expect that Touchstone label will not be included in thi…

thats why Netflix is going insane on original spending, they have no long term plans to keep other content

Yes, and with every pullout they are more like a dumb pipe full of sewage content.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 3:59 AM UTC

flylib wrote: post #351

aidenn0 wrote: post #123

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If all major studios pull their content from Netflix, then it will not have the large library size anymore. Also Disney is currently in a strong position for this right now. They released ~10 movies in 2016 and had the 4 highest grossing films of 2016. This, of course, assumes that Marvel and Lucasfilm properties are put on the Disney streaming service (I would expect that Touchstone label will not be included in thi…

thats why Netflix is going insane on original spending, they have no long term plans to keep other content

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Post by djrogers » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 4:04 AM UTC

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The problem tends to be the pricing. The per-episode and seasonal purchase rates often seem higher than going and buying a DVD, probably due to the store taking a cut. The streaming services, or even cable TV, are much cheaper if you make a lot of use of them. The hope always seems to be to operate like a gym, where there are people paying but almost never showing up.

And the store content also come 6 months to a year or more after the original air time.

Not sure where you’re getting that idea - pretty much every TV show available on iTunes is available the day it airs or the day after.

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Post by busterarm » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 4:05 AM UTC

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Lol, I guess I'm glad you find it amusing? In all honesty though, it keeps her from calling me constantly every day. Netflix is great for my sanity.

Is your username not a reference to his arm?

It is not.

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Post by TheAceOfHearts » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 4:08 AM UTC

Bleh, every media company implementing their own shitty ecosystem is such a waste. As is usually the case, they'll probably end up doing a poor job for the first few years. A media company's core competency is their content! To give an example: despite there being tons of amazing and highly customizable video players players available on every platform, they'll push you towards using their poorly designed one-size-fits-all player. Same thing applies to content exploration, ratings, reviews, suggestions, etc.

I'd love to see an open platform for ratings, reviews, and suggestions. There's no sense in repeatedly creating isolated islands of data.

Content exploration usually sucks too. Sometimes you wanna slice data in ten different ways! Instead of implementing a mediocre searching and filtering system, just make the full catalogue's data and metadata available as a downloadable snapshot. Most content catalogues are typically pretty small, and if the data is openly available, I can just write my own one-off query. Heck, if you have all the info and metadata available, you can write some really interesting queries without having to worry about performance.

Over the last few years I've gradually lost interest in most TV and movies. I'll go to the cinema on the rare occasion something catches my eye, but it's becoming increasingly rare. The decision is also slightly politically motivated, since I find most of the crap the MPAA tries to pull absolutely reprehensible. It's very sad that piracy is still the best way acquire and consume most media.

Now I spend most of my time either reading or listening to audiobooks. There's tons of amazing content available, and it's typically cheaper than other forms of entertainment. The field is also pretty open and approachable, so anyone can try their hand at writing a book. You don't need a huge budget or anything fancy.

I'm also a big fan of the book community. My experience has been that many book authors are happy to engage in discussions, answer questions, etc. If you shoot em an email, most authors will get back to you (although though most of the bigger names will usually take longer). Providing constructive criticism (especially when they're starting off) can actually lead to improvements in future books!

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Post by busterarm » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 4:08 AM UTC

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Maybe because people have a little bit more pricing data than they used to and know what $10 of programming is worth. Your $80/mo cable bundle is split something like: $12 taxes, $43 ESPN, $9 Viacom and the rest split by everyone else. $10 buys a lot.

Is 10$ a lot? First, consider the experience then and the experience now. Before, only a single person could watch pre-scheduled content (unless you have an extra device to record). Now, multiple people can watch any show they want in parallel. And your way of splitting the money is silly. At the end of the day, you were paying 80$ but were only interested in a very small portion of the content. Now you're getting th…

The idea being conveyed here is that unless you're a sports buff or reality tv buff, the content that you consume probably costs Now you're paying $10/mo for each network.

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Post by djrogers » Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 4:08 AM UTC

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I would pay $20 a month if it had every disney movie ever, and every new release after a certain time period. I imagine there are a lot of parents that would as well.

That's 12 blu-rays a year. Do your kids really watch THAT much Disney? You could buy every new Disney movie each year and have extra slots to fill out the backlog for that price, plus de-facto ownership of the data.

Im guessing you don’t have kids? Disney Jr, Disney Channel, and Disney XD put out more content than you could possibly imagine - some of it very good, and most of the rest at least tolerable.

Disney movies are a very small portion of their catalog, although to someone in a household without kids I can see how it would appear that marvel and Star Wars were all Disney did.