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Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by flukus »

nodesocket wrote: post #9

The epidemic problem with bay area companies mixing their leftist politics and business is very disconcerting. They are alienating the majority population of the country, and are acting in the same manner as groups they claim to loathe. It is pure hypocrisy. Bay area companies enjoy diversity and inclusion, as long as it fits within their narrative.

They're alienating people like myself who are firmly on the left. The left used to care about socio-economics, but they've abandoned the white working class (and the working class of every minority) in favor of identity politics. The left used to care about everyone getting access to a decent education and healthcare instead of denigrating the poor as racist rednecks. The left used to be in favor of helping their neighbors and not opening borders.

Now people who are on the left and many of those that could be are left with no one to vote for.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by saghm »

flukus wrote: post #20
RickS wrote: post #5

Awesome. The idea that companies are apolitical can't die fast enough. No person-to-person platform can reach scale and be apolitical. You end up with companies like reddit and twitter who are too timid to make a stand about what their rules really are, and then waffle until they're forced to deal either with the PR nightmare of suddenly changing directions at scale, or the PR nightmare of allowing shitbags nobody wa…

> No person-to-person platform can reach scale and be apolitical. Companies that are too political can't scale at all, they put to many people off. Most overtly political business like feminist cafe's or LGBT bookshops die pretty quickly. In the tech world, if I could go back half a decade and know how political github would become I and many other people would have never signed up. > The idea that companies are apol…

> Companies that are too political can't scale at all

If being against white supremacy is "too political", then what you're really saying is that companies shouldn't be political at all—which is a reasonable viewpoint, but I think the phrasing "too political" is a bit misleading.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by partisan »

This could indicate the need for a company like Airbnb that proactively markets to people who think this way. Markets abhor a vacuum.

If companies become political, then they should expect competitors who will use politics as a market differentiator. They should also expect customers to differentiate between their options based on politics as well.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by glumpyfish »

malandrew wrote: post #18
mvid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People "in the middle" are not attending white power rallies.

But there are people in the middle that believe in the constitutional right to assembly and association.

Assemblies and associations with names like "Nazi uber" and "Hate van"? No thanks. Shut it down.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by drewrv »

malandrew wrote: post #18
mvid wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People "in the middle" are not attending white power rallies.

But there are people in the middle that believe in the constitutional right to assembly and association.

Few in the middle believe these rights obligate a private company to host objectional material.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by tedunangst »

glumpyfish wrote: post #24
malandrew wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there are people in the middle that believe in the constitutional right to assembly and association.

Assemblies and associations with names like "Nazi uber" and "Hate van"? No thanks. Shut it down.

The constitution has very little to say about what assembly names are acceptable.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by dhf17 »

nodesocket wrote: post #9

The epidemic problem with bay area companies mixing their leftist politics and business is very disconcerting. They are alienating the majority population of the country, and are acting in the same manner as groups they claim to loathe. It is pure hypocrisy. Bay area companies enjoy diversity and inclusion, as long as it fits within their narrative.

From my perspective as a native Southerner, Silicon Valley seems like a groupthink cult/bubble. Just as much or even more so than the most rural areas around here. Add on the insane cost of living and it does lose a lot of appeal for certain outsiders.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by malandrew »

drewrv wrote: post #25
malandrew wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there are people in the middle that believe in the constitutional right to assembly and association.

Few in the middle believe these rights obligate a private company to host objectional material.

I wholeheartedly agree that it doesn't obligate them, but many in the middle recognize that allowing a culture of intolerance (on either side) to take root and spread is not in our long term best interest.

Sometimes slippery slopes are slippery.

Re: Airbnb is banning people trying to attend a white supremacist rally

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Post by mc32 »

glumpyfish wrote: post #24
malandrew wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there are people in the middle that believe in the constitutional right to assembly and association.

Assemblies and associations with names like "Nazi uber" and "Hate van"? No thanks. Shut it down.

You know, that's a really hard one.

On the one hand I don't want a bunch of hateful thugs running about rallying actual hate normally. I just have to imagine if I were in a non western country and they had hate rallies against westerners, for example.

On the other hand, say in Venezuela or Cuba where politicians rally (or rallied) around hate for the US and US citizens, I mean, hateful as it is, should I want that suppressed forcefully?

Maybe more worrying is who gets classified, do they go by the Dept of Justice tally? Or do they make their own assessment?

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