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I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top.

> I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top. http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni/james-damore

Note how there's no dissertation or thesis advisor listed, unlike the other alumni. Here's an article saying he didn't graduate more explicitly: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-enginee...

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top.

citation?

Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-enginee...

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top.

> I notice no stories about how Damore lied about having a PhD from Harvard have made it to the top. http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni/james-damore

> Harvard University tells me James Damore did not complete his Phd. He completed a masters degree in systems biology in 2013 [1]

You can "be on a PhD program" without having completed it.

[1] https://twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/894939560391565317

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Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names only shows how weak your side of the argument is. That's how you get 4 more years of Trump. Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments.

I don't think that either side of any issue has a monopoly on that kind of lunacy.

By which I mean, there are people on either side of any big debate who try to silence the opposition and call them names.

As Adlai Stevenson once said, "when you sling mud, you lose ground."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

citation?

Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-enginee...

"It struck a nerve and was harshly criticized inside a company and an entire industry struggling to explain why women are underrepresented in key engineering ranks"

I believe there are less female graduates in software engineering than male, and more male software engineers so wouldn't it follow that they would be underrepresented? Unless that underrepresentation is in relation to those figures?

Re: Fired Google engineer files complaint, weighs legal options

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Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names only shows how weak your side of the argument is. That's how you get 4 more years of Trump. Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments.

> Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names

You're conflating a political movement with a company doing PR damage control. Google management didn't "call him names".

You're not thinking about it like a corporate manager. Google is trying hard not to be seen as just another Frat startup like Uber (albeit an older one). They are actively trying to hire the best engineers in the world and this memo just put a dent in their hiring process for 50% of their potential hiring candidates.

> Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments.

Of course.

The irony is that social conservatives are usually the ones to cry foul when an employee sues a company for firing the employee for social/cultural reasons. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, both political poles are shown to be hypocrites.

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What escapes this whole shebang is the fact that his post went Viral inside google. Would he have been fired if it didn't?

Perhaps not. But I don't see the fact that he wrote it as the proximal cause for his firing.

I suspect it's the fact that his PR event caused by the memo makes it harder for the company to hire women and to draw a clear distinction between Google company culture and, say, Uber company culture.

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For the life of me I still can't figure out what he wrote that was so offensive.

I see people attacking him in general terms, calling him a bigot/sexist/etc, but they never mention anything specific he wrote.

Can anyone point to anything specific that is upsetting so many people?

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Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names only shows how weak your side of the argument is. That's how you get 4 more years of Trump. Fight bad ideas with better ideas, better arguments.

> Liberals / progressives keep missing the point - silencing your opposition and calling them names You're conflating a political movement with a company doing PR damage control. Google management didn't "call him names". You're not thinking about it like a corporate manager. Google is trying hard not to be seen as just another Frat startup like Uber (albeit an older one). They are actively trying to hire the best en…

> You're conflating a political movement with a company doing PR damage control. Google management didn't "call him names".

Google is heavily invested in the political movement. Lets not pretend google is an objective observer in this.

> They are actively trying to hire the best engineers in the world and this memo just put a dent in their hiring process for 50% of their potential hiring candidates.

Can you point to anything specific that was written that would scare 50% of potential hires? That is quite an assertion and I would love to here the rationale for it.

> Now that the shoe is on the other foot, both political poles are shown to be hypocrites.

That's the point. Why are you defending one foot and not the other?

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Getting flagged in 5, 4, ...

.. 3, 2, 1 ... Lets see what he wrote that was so offensive, remembering that it was to a private list and only posted to the wider Internet by Googles 'diversity' chief Danielle Brown. "Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber" https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

The crux of the argument was:

1. There are biological differences between men and women.

2. Because #1 and and evolutionary psychology, this makes women bad engineers.

3. Because #1 and #2, diversity programs are harmful.

Saying one of those three things creates a hostile work environment. Nothing in that manifesto provided any unique, novel, or original insight. It was the same old, same-old, 'computers are for boys, talking to people is for girls' nonsense.

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