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Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by Footkerchief »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #71
bathtub wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear Dang, > When you say 'white Christians' you're changing the subject in a particularly trollish wa No, it is not trollish, not at all. It's exactly what they are doing and IDK what is different with my example. 'Religion' is also often used as a polite way to target ethnicity. Which is also reflected in my example (and exaggerated to make it clear). Dang, I think I brought some valid points and I would be happy t…

There's no such thing as 'mixed' marriages for Muslims. Muslim women may only marry Muslim men, and Muslim men must raise their children as Muslims. Also, devout Christians do the same. Right or wrong, until the whole world is athiest, this won't change.

This is basically a no-true-Scotsman -- "devout" has no objective definition, and there are unquestionably people who identify as Muslim who are married to non-Muslims.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by 2983e79832 »

dang wrote: post #47
bathtub wrote: post #25

I am not happy about such ideas and usually don't use explicit words on HN but this startup is a bit off for a YC startup. It's surprising that a well-known fund invests in such a venture. Why do you want to keep people from specific religions stick together? It's for a society always better if groups mix instead of a ghettoization. I know that still many try to stay with their people which is totally fine but why en…

There are plenty of apps for Christians, as for all other kinds of specialized markets. When you say 'white Christians' you're changing the subject in a particularly trollish way. Please don't comment like that here.

When you take a single part of a post out of context and attack that, you are commenting in a particularly trollish way.

Please don't comment like that here.

Troll, noun: Critic of Paul Graham or Ycombinator.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by komali2 »

bathtub wrote: post #80
komali2 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should "Farmers only" dating apps also be banned? What about features in an app that allow users to filter profiles of potential mates by their religion? Or age? Or gender ? I think I understand where you're coming from - that the app contributes to cultural divisiveness - but I don't think I like the implication, which to me is "one is not allowed to seek ways of finding others of a similar culture." If you don't al…

> that allow people to find those similar to them, you are taking away their ability to do so This is what I want. That people find their SO on a natural and unexpected way and not by sticking to their roots and setting the right filter in their dating app. Do you think Americans would be Americans today if hundreds years ago all the immigrants stayed with their groups? And again I use religion and ethnicity here equ…

1. What are the acceptable "natural and unexpected ways" for people to meet their life partners?

2. Do you genuinely believe that your opinion on the matter means that dating apps (all of them) should not exist? (note that you would have to say this as an outlier - clearly, people love dating apps, and clearly, people have found their life partners through them)

Addressing 1, because it illustrates to me what I believe is the largest hole in your argument. You claim "hundreds of years ago all immigrants DID NOT stay within their groups," and that platforms implicitly put people into groups (implication: people wouldn't do this if it were not for platforms).

I am somewhat surprised that you believe this - it's as if you've never been to a China Town or Harlem, or lived abroad in a country where nobody speaks your native language. Like people mingle with like people, and immigrant populations meld slowly, very rarely losing ALL of their identity. All of known society operates on this history, and obviously our society isn't ideal but it's certainly functional having existed on this paradigm. And, as time marches forward, so do the cultures merge further. Why try to speed up the process unnecessarily?

That people mix with those similar to them now being established (feel free to challenge me on it! I'm just saying, that's my premise here), it would only be "natural" for them to do so with or without an app to aid them. They clearly want to do it, so of course people will capitalize on that desire with businesses. YCombinator, I believe, operates as an investor, and an investor will want to fund businesses that operate on successful business models... I mean really, I'm having a hard time seeing how you can challenge this?

Anyway, you talk about barriers, but really I think you're the one arguing for barriers, by setting rules around how people are allowed to interact. I like riding motorcycles, but in your world I would not be allowed to specifically seek out other motorcycle riders, because somehow it is healthier for society that the percentage of my friends that are motorcyclists is perfectly equal to the percentage of society that are motorcyclists. The whole concept of shared hobbies falls apart under this model, for no reason. Because of apps I can seek out new hobbies and people that do things differently than me - I don't want to be forced to do that, I can do it on my own time!

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by Mikeb85 »

Footkerchief wrote: post #82
Mikeb85 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no such thing as 'mixed' marriages for Muslims. Muslim women may only marry Muslim men, and Muslim men must raise their children as Muslims. Also, devout Christians do the same. Right or wrong, until the whole world is athiest, this won't change.

This is basically a no-true-Scotsman -- "devout" has no objective definition, and there are unquestionably people who identify as Muslim who are married to non-Muslims.

It's not though. Identifying as something doesn't mean others recognize you as being part of that group (ex. Ahmadiyya).

Also, secular Muslims probably aren't the target demographic of this app, just like secular Christians likely won't be on Christian Mingle...

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