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Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by nowo »

brighteyes wrote: post #232
nowo wrote: post #227

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Everyone is saying that they are open to discuss this, but as soon as someone says what they think about the paper they are met with dismissal. People interpret his large focus on the biological traits of women, by presenting those traits as the primary cause of the gender gap and without showing causality between those traits and the gender gap as disrespectful. Because it suggests that women are primarily at fault.…

Yeah, I agree. He went too far in that direction. I think he was wrong on some facts, and also didn't explain things in the best way. But I think it was wrong of many people to misrepresent what he said (as "women are inferior"), and it was wrong of Google to fire him.

I think it was wrong to fire him too. But honestly it somewhat of a feat to manage to criticize large parts of the organization, make a large part of the company angry and end up on big news sites, all at the same time. Especially since Google is pretty infamous for their hiring process, keeping things internal, flagging troublemakers and protecting their reputation.

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Post by stagbeetle »

rbanffy wrote: post #235
macspoofing wrote: post #157

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This guy isn't a racist or a misogynist. A better example is an atheist working with an evangelical. Both the atheist and the evangelical will have very strong opinions on each others' belief systems.

Will the Evangelical write a 10 page memo "explaining" why there are naturally fewer Atheists in his profession because their biology makes the inherently less interested in it?

This is a false equivalency.

A better statement would be: "Will the Evangelical write a 10 page memo "explaining" why there are naturally fewer Atheists in church organizations because their beliefs makes the inherently less interested in it?"

The answer would be yes. But it's not a good example.

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Post by jorgemf »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #239
jorgemf wrote: post #213

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Now I can reply: I apologize because my comment sound like an attack when It wasn't my intention. I just wanted to provide the references and know your opinion. Take your time to check them.

For hot-button issues (or maybe just for heavily-commented articles?), HN sometimes limits the reply rate.

No I think the reason is that they keep flagging and unflagging the post. And when it is flagged you cannot comment anymore

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Post by Mikeb85 »

influx wrote: post #67
kevinburke wrote: post #59

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A right to free speech doesn't mean you are also free from any consequences for that speech.. ? The Constitution allows you to say whatever you want but your employer's also free to fire you for saying it. As an example, if you say racist things to a customer, your employer should be able to fire you. I have heard people say he should get fired, but I haven't heard anyone saying he should be "expelled from society" o…

Curious if you feel Colin Kaepernick should have been fired and blacklisted for supporting Black Lives Matter? After all, it was only a consequence of free speech from his employers.

He wasn't fired or blacklisted for supporting BLM. His contract ran out and no one wants him because of his terrible performance of late. If it weren't for his political views no one would even be talking about him.

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Post by twentythree »

joelrunyon wrote: post #144
influx wrote: post #67

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Curious if you feel Colin Kaepernick should have been fired and blacklisted for supporting Black Lives Matter? After all, it was only a consequence of free speech from his employers.

Colin wasn't fired. He opted out of his contract - making himself a free agent. http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Colin-Kaepernick-Opts-Ou... This is like quitting your job and complaining you don't have a job.

That's not a fair comparison; Kaepernick would have been cut had he not opted out.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-4...

"We gave him the option, ‘You can opt out, we can release you, whatever.’ And he chose to opt out, but that was just a formality."

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Post by Mikeb85 »

kevinburke wrote: post #209
influx wrote: post #67

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Curious if you feel Colin Kaepernick should have been fired and blacklisted for supporting Black Lives Matter? After all, it was only a consequence of free speech from his employers.

I think the people signing worse quarterbacks than him are pointlessly making their teams worse. I didn't take a position on the Google firing above; I just pointed out that your employer can hold you accountable for things you say without violating your First Amendment rights. http://review.chicagobooth.edu/magazine/winter-2014/how-gary...

Quarterbacks worse than him? SF had the second worst record in the league...

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by [deleted] »

rbanffy wrote: post #237
oskbor wrote: post #131

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Have you even read his text? Please quote the "deeply hurtful" passages

We can start from the implication that it's natural there are less women in the profession because most of them are biologically unsuited to it. Now replace woman with black (or Jew) and see what happens. Do you still think it's OK?

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Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by kevinburke »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #246
kevinburke wrote: post #209

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I think the people signing worse quarterbacks than him are pointlessly making their teams worse. I didn't take a position on the Google firing above; I just pointed out that your employer can hold you accountable for things you say without violating your First Amendment rights. http://review.chicagobooth.edu/magazine/winter-2014/how-gary...

Quarterbacks worse than him? SF had the second worst record in the league...

At this point he's being evaluated as a backup and teams are still passing on him. The other backup quarterbacks are not good. http://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-backup-qb-ar...

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Post by Mikeb85 »

kevinburke wrote: post #248
Mikeb85 wrote: post #246

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Quarterbacks worse than him? SF had the second worst record in the league...

At this point he's being evaluated as a backup and teams are still passing on him. The other backup quarterbacks are not good. http://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-backup-qb-ar...

That article offers good arguments not to pick him. Add to the fact a former starter is going to demand a greater salary, and his weaknesses will be more well known than, say, a rookie or someone who's always been a backup. At this point Colin has peaked and declined, and everyone knows it.

Edit - backups should be technically solid and be able to execute the same plays as the starter. Not flashy and unorthodox. When your starter is injured you don't want the whole team to have to change systems.

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Post by rbanffy »

stagbeetle wrote: post #242
rbanffy wrote: post #235

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Will the Evangelical write a 10 page memo "explaining" why there are naturally fewer Atheists in his profession because their biology makes the inherently less interested in it?

This is a false equivalency. A better statement would be: "Will the Evangelical write a 10 page memo "explaining" why there are naturally fewer Atheists in church organizations because their beliefs makes the inherently less interested in it?" The answer would be yes. But it's not a good example.

Is your argument that software engineering is a religion women don't believe in?
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