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Re: Instagram photos reveal predictive markers of depression

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Post by vit05 »

vlucas wrote: post #31

Not just photos, but in general I've found that the people who are continuously posting how happy their lives are and how everything is great are most likely the ones who are utterly miserable. I have been seeing a woman's posts lately who is going through a bitter, ugly divorce, and it's astounding how she represents everything publicly via Facebook when I know the full story due to a family member being involved.

Someone that is miserable is not exactly someone that is suffering from depression.

This research is for finding a clinical condition and make less expendable the cost of health programs, not to evaluate the life of others based just on opinions. Suicides are the second-leading cause of death among teenagers. But, some people are just "not a happy person". That doesn't mean that they are unhappy, sad or suffering from depression.

I really like this comics from Oatmeal that talk about that. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/unhappy the essay that this comic is based thttps://outline.com/r6q4Ga

Re: Instagram photos reveal predictive markers of depression

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Post by monksy »

surrey-fringe wrote: post #47
ringaroundthetx wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please read the article and contribute something useful instead of your off-broadway Black Mirror episode. The algorithm didn't focus much on emotions of the subjects in the photos.

I thought it was funny.

Being funny is verboten here. 0/5 stars.

Re: Instagram photos reveal predictive markers of depression

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Post by exergy »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #57
confounded wrote: post #52

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It's not about technology. It's about power, capital, and society. We already know that Facebook/Instagram can manipulate your real-world emotions and thoughts by what it chooses to show you. We also know that susceptibility to ads for different products varies depending on emotional state and context (pre 'surveillance capitalism' it was well known that you could get much bettter responses to aspirational products a…

The question is, if you have a load of high-value inventory to shift, but your audience isn't susceptible to it, why not treat this as an optimization problem and make them? Susceptibility to action is binary. If the audience isn't susceptible then they won't ever convert, or take action. I'll never buy a Yoni Egg [1], and no amount of targeting or putting advertisements in front of me will cause me to make a purchas…

Your example is laughably contrived, unrealistic, and so full of plot holes that my fingers would tire from typing all my thoughts out. By contrast, the very real privacy invasion damage that invariably occurs in the kind of world that you're advocating for is well documented, and dystopian in the extreme. The never forgetting Internet, the different insurance rates, the illegal files on every citizen etc. I want no part of such a world.

Re: Instagram photos reveal predictive markers of depression

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Post by prawn »

jpalomaki wrote: post #59

Would it be acceptable for Facebook to try to make you less depressed by changing what you see on your feed?

Whether or not it's acceptable, I think we'll see apps/bots employed to do this. I'm not sure there's much in that process that makes money for Facebook, so big players might avoid it.

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Post by slig »

ge96 wrote: post #41
slig wrote: post #34

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> The other jobs were brute searching sites in hopes to improve SEO. I'm curious on how this works. Do you basically search for specific keywords and click on specific URLs in order to signal Google that the URL is more relevant?

That sememed to be the basis of it but this was a couple of years ago or more say 2010-2012 something like that man that was a while back wow. Yeah you had to search some term and find the link. It seemed to work as they would be beyond the first page result usually or at least not #1 but say #4 on page 1. But it could be biased you know based on your own search history I often check externally with say Tor to see ho…

Thanks for replying! I suspected that people did that but never had confirmation.

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Post by shubb »

exergy wrote: post #63
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, if you have a load of high-value inventory to shift, but your audience isn't susceptible to it, why not treat this as an optimization problem and make them? Susceptibility to action is binary. If the audience isn't susceptible then they won't ever convert, or take action. I'll never buy a Yoni Egg [1], and no amount of targeting or putting advertisements in front of me will cause me to make a purchas…

Your example is laughably contrived, unrealistic, and so full of plot holes that my fingers would tire from typing all my thoughts out. By contrast, the very real privacy invasion damage that invariably occurs in the kind of world that you're advocating for is well documented, and dystopian in the extreme. The never forgetting Internet, the different insurance rates, the illegal files on every citizen etc. I want no…

But we're in it right?

And it is a world where non participation might equate to a negative profile, so the bay we can do is understand the enemy and curate perfection, while engaging in a real way only when anonymous (so far as that can even be achieved).

Re: Instagram photos reveal predictive markers of depression

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Post by thinkfurther »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #57
confounded wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about technology. It's about power, capital, and society. We already know that Facebook/Instagram can manipulate your real-world emotions and thoughts by what it chooses to show you. We also know that susceptibility to ads for different products varies depending on emotional state and context (pre 'surveillance capitalism' it was well known that you could get much bettter responses to aspirational products a…

The question is, if you have a load of high-value inventory to shift, but your audience isn't susceptible to it, why not treat this as an optimization problem and make them? Susceptibility to action is binary. If the audience isn't susceptible then they won't ever convert, or take action. I'll never buy a Yoni Egg [1], and no amount of targeting or putting advertisements in front of me will cause me to make a purchas…

> So yes, I believe in an all seeing all knowing AI god that will guide and optimize our behaviors. That is not a sarcastic comment.

We already use much less powerful things, words and images, mostly to manipulate. Plenty don't hesitate to trying to make people feel bad or unpopular for not having a product they don't actually need, and your susceptibility doesn't matter, that they also don't blink doing it to a mentally handicapped or psychologically unstable person is. But sure, just give marketing more power and at some point it will wrap around to being all nice and fluffy... I'm also not being sarcastic when I say you can live in that world over my dead body. It's not enough for you to want it, you need to want it more than I don't want it, and I doubt anxiety or fear of embarrassment is going to be enough motivation, not by orders of magnitude.

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Post by confounded »

shubb wrote: post #66
exergy wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your example is laughably contrived, unrealistic, and so full of plot holes that my fingers would tire from typing all my thoughts out. By contrast, the very real privacy invasion damage that invariably occurs in the kind of world that you're advocating for is well documented, and dystopian in the extreme. The never forgetting Internet, the different insurance rates, the illegal files on every citizen etc. I want no…

But we're in it right? And it is a world where non participation might equate to a negative profile, so the bay we can do is understand the enemy and curate perfection, while engaging in a real way only when anonymous (so far as that can even be achieved).

It can be regulated against, more transparency can be enforced. Despite the enormous lobbying from Facebook and Google in the EU, I could imagine it happening there within five or ten years for example.

There's a real tendency on HN to get all Ayn Rand and forget we live in a society. In relative terms, this is a very new business model. Companies will push for more power, and they get it unless people push back. As people close to the problem, we need to see ourselves as responsible for influencing the discussion about type of society we end up with.

Re: Instagram photos reveal predictive markers of depression

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Post by thinkfurther »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #55
cirgue wrote: post #51

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>The cynical dystopian insinuation around technology, on a technology site no less, is getting old. A technology site is exactly the place for cynicism about technology. The idea of seeing an ad for a suicide hotilne on a social media site is even more distopian than the op's crack about mandatory happiness.

A technology site is exactly the place for cynicism about technology. I disagree, because I think we need to be the idealists and drivers instead of those pushing back, but I also don't think yours is necessarily an unreasonable position to have. The idea of seeing an ad for a suicide hotilne on a social media site is even more distopian than the op's crack about mandatory happiness I'm not sure I follow why. Ideally…

Except the network can't compare with non-members, so it can't even assess whether it itself is part of the problem, and whether the social network committing suicide would be the best intervention of all. That's just unthinkable. It's like trying to make a TV show that makes people happy, instead of encouraging them to turn off their TV which is likely to have drastically better results. You can write a script about turning off the TV, you can have a show about people who hate their TV and are heroes, but you cannot not make an episode, the network has no slot for that.

When I see Zuckerberg's fake, forced smile, I see a person trapped under there somewhere crying for help. I don't even mean this in a snarky way, I don't hate the guy, and I'm interested in the "Bill Gates transformation of being less insecure". But still, anyone near that and oblivious to it should read and listen when it comes to mental health, not talk and certainly not write algorithms that "intervene". If FB was able to want to help with it on any meaningful level, it would either disband or change drastically, and not have "be middleman for everything" as goal number one like so many do.

> idealists and drivers instead of those pushing back

You say this like there is a train, and it either moves or doesn't. Instead it's a multi-dimensional space with a million things that can all change position and shape and color. Technology isn't the question, but who is using it, why and for what.

Re: Instagram photos reveal predictive markers of depression

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Post by jnbiche »

5ilv3r wrote: post #19
jnbiche wrote: post #10

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Wouldn't that be the Magarshak ratio?

No because 100:100 and 0:0 would be equal in value but far different in meaning. It must be a score and not a ratio.

Yes, but that's not what this ratio purports to measure.

Also, the fact that you wrote n:n with the colon in between would make it by definition a ratio.

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