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Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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So, I've vouched for it too, mainly because it would be nice to have the option on HN to simply ignore the flags for those who feel they can handle it and don't need to be told by others what they can and can not discuss. It would be a pretty simple affair software wise, those that need it can have their safe space and those that don't can discuss whatever they want without being shouted down. Seems like the optimal…

The thing about no moderation spaces (above and beyond legal requirements) is that they become tools of organized trolling efforts (harassment campaigns and the like). Having an unmoderated space on the internet is basically the social equivalent of having an open smtp relay. But if this "ignore flags" version of hackernews were to have any moderation at all to prevent the above, it would basically mean forcing extra…

> But if this "ignore flags" version of hackernews were to have any moderation at all to prevent the above, it would basically mean forcing extra work on the moderators of hackernews to cater to a handful of people interested in genuine discussion and a vast army of people interested in using it to troll, harass, and generally be awful to people.

I highly doubt that. Typically a normal discussion (such as this one) is underway and the suddenly the whole thing is killed. That's rude, to put it mildly and I see absolutely no harm in letting those discussions continue with the normal 'up/down' vote mechanism taking care of the moderation. Flagging just affects the ordering of the stories and does not have anything to do with the comments within those stories.

Note that there is no reason that you would not be able to discuss this site and yet the discussion is flagged so the majority of HN will never see it. I don't like that, I think it puts too much weight to the flags in relation to the upvotes.

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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The flagging isn't a rogue algorithm. It's the majority of the sites users saying they don't want to keep seeing the same two toxic viewpoints throwing shit at each other.

If that were the only way it was used it would be fine. But it is also used to simply shut down rational discussion on subjects the flaggers don't like.

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Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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I'd love to get a discussion going on whether people support or oppose the flagging (and subsequent disappearance) of politically charged topics on HN. While HN is not a politics site, some of these censored topics have been tech-related. I guess it comes down to a value judgement: is it worth discussing tech politics even if it spawns flamewars and heated arguments? I think it's worth it, but this is certainly debat…

Maybe just add a special topic flag "politics" and let everyone have a convenient switch in the profile settings whether they want to see those topics in the feed or not?

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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When posts are flagged, is there a reason that is provided and is it viewable somewhere? It seems like there's a lot of legit, even large threads that have been flagged and removed. Even ones that don't seem offensive, they're just related to or covering news on some things that perhaps some people find offensive. Seems crazy that they'd disappear. I'd be interested in reading the justifications for removal.

Users flag posts. It's not a moderator action. There's a setting called showdead that you can change to see all the flagged posts.

Ah, thanks. Sometimes I see mods intervene on comments and that kind of thing, so I figured flagged posts went into a queue before removal.

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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FYI you can view dead/flagged submissions by going to your profile and enabling showdead. I don't know if this is the correct place to criticize HN's moderation policies, it's kinda disheartening to see the list of submissions that were removed. News articles regarding the diversity memo were allowed but submissions linking to the actual memo were removed for some reason. If the actual memo is sexist/bigoted, then pe…

Yes, but the discussion instantly dies and when flagged to death you can't even comment anymore.

That's just abuse of the flagging system. I don't get why people want to hide something that they don't agree with from everyone's eyes. Why not just ignore the post if you don't want to participate in the discussion. If someone wants an echochamber where only things that you agree with are visible, reddit is much better place for that, regardless of which side of the debate you are on, you'll find a subreddit that fits you.

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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I'd love to get a discussion going on whether people support or oppose the flagging (and subsequent disappearance) of politically charged topics on HN. While HN is not a politics site, some of these censored topics have been tech-related. I guess it comes down to a value judgement: is it worth discussing tech politics even if it spawns flamewars and heated arguments? I think it's worth it, but this is certainly debat…

Maybe just add a special topic flag "politics" and let everyone have a convenient switch in the profile settings whether they want to see those topics in the feed or not?

That topic flag is called reddit.com/r/politics. We are already choosing to come here instead of there.

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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post #4

I'd love to get a discussion going on whether people support or oppose the flagging (and subsequent disappearance) of politically charged topics on HN. While HN is not a politics site, some of these censored topics have been tech-related. I guess it comes down to a value judgement: is it worth discussing tech politics even if it spawns flamewars and heated arguments? I think it's worth it, but this is certainly debat…

> funny enough, this topic itself was flagged and killed! Flagged because of the stupid -rule breaking- title.

What is rule breaking about it?

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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post #4

I'd love to get a discussion going on whether people support or oppose the flagging (and subsequent disappearance) of politically charged topics on HN. While HN is not a politics site, some of these censored topics have been tech-related. I guess it comes down to a value judgement: is it worth discussing tech politics even if it spawns flamewars and heated arguments? I think it's worth it, but this is certainly debat…

Mysteriously, many thread, including this thread itself, has been revived from dead (but could possibly still be flagged):

For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14962366

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14961857

And it seems this thread itself is excluded in HN top

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> funny enough, this topic itself was flagged and killed! Flagged because of the stupid -rule breaking- title.

What is rule breaking about it?

Come off it, you've been here long enough to know that it's an editorialised title.

Re: Hcrknews.com (Flagged / Censored content can be seen)

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As an aside, I do find it interesting that this submission is nowhere to be found from the main page itself (or at least 5 pages back, despite 50 points and 17 comments. I guess it was flagged/vouched back, but having showdead on in your hacker news profile does nothing to help if the algorithm drops the submission into nowhereland.

That is reason enough for the existence of hckrnews.com, imo.

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