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Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by oskbor »

rifung wrote: post #100
naturalgradient wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is authoritarian logic. A threat is never just an opinion in authoritarian thinking. It's outside of what constitutes an opinion, it's outside the system. Hence, for the greater good, it must be not just be rejected, it must be destroyed as a moral necessity. If you go down this road, there is only one destination. I can sympathise with your view point. Of course I can. That is my whole point. It takes incredibl…

I'm not sure I understand your point so please correct me if I misunderstand, but the person wasn't fired for having a different opinion. He was fired for saying things which were deeply hurtful for a large number of employees.

Have you even read his text? Please quote the "deeply hurtful" passages

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by wfunction »

kuschku wrote: post #68
wfunction wrote: post #35

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Whoever in Gizmodo redacted or allowed the reduction of the 25+ citations should be fired. That was such irresponsible journalism that it honestly looks actively malicious, and it wasn't matter what side you're on. You can't remove all the support someone provides for their position and hide it behind a short and vague disclaimer while presenting it as though it's materially equivalent to the original. If their evide…

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First of all, he had far better references than random WordPress blog posts, and second of all, that is completely irrelevant and doesn't excuse you from providing an accurate representation of the original.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by dangerlibrary »

rifung wrote: post #126
dangerlibrary wrote: post #23

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A false dichotomy. A third: Google is currently in hot water with the Department of Labor for their extreme gender pay gap and wants a PR win.

Disclaimer: I work for Google I assume you're talking about when the Department of Labor asked for more information on employees? If so, I don't believe they actually found any gender pay gap; they were merely asking for more data which Google refused to give up due to privacy concerns. The judge ruled in Google's favor so it's hardly "hot water" ( https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/16/judge-sides-with-google-in... )

> The Department of Labor’s increasingly heated dispute with Google over a gender pay gap began, innocently enough, with a routine audit.

> During the audit, however, the agency found “systemic compensation disparities against women pretty much across the entire workforce,” according to testimony from a DoL official.

> The lawsuit was about accessing data, not the merits of the DoL’s arguments, she says, pointing out that the government has yet to present its case.

https://www.wired.com/story/google-department-of-labor-gende...

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by canoebuilder »

Who wants to discuss the suppression of content on HN?

163 pts in 37 mins, but flagged off the front page as soon as it appeared.

Does the number of flags required to trip the [flagged] trigger increase with the number of points and speed of those points on a story?

If not, why not?

Yes one could say rapid point accrual on a story of this nature is telling of a hot-button issue that and thus likely to create discussion not up to our desired standards.

But what I think is really being shown here is that this is an issue many feel is in much need of attention and the fact that a small group can just flag these so quickly when the rest of the community is saying this is important seems strange.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by jungletime »

Apparently Jordan Peterson will have an interview with the google memo guy on his youtube channel today. Just curious how this will go down, since youtube already took down Jordan's channel last week, before brining it back without explanation, fueling many conspiracy theories. Jordan is probably the first to layout a coherent logical, scientific argument against Identity Politics, that seems to have inspired the google memo.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by jorgemf »

ithilglin909 wrote: post #52

Here, here. I’m a software engineer who happens to be a woman. Mr. Damore's piece didn’t offend me at all. There were parts I agreed with and parts I didn’t agree with. I’m more bothered by Google’s response(s) which seemed to reveal an incredible lack of critical reading ability, and far more disturbed by the levels of harshly enforced group-think that seem to increasingly dominate supposedly intelligent circles.

I wish there were more people like you. People able to have a better critical reading and don't fall quickly in easy offenses that might not even exists.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by pseudalopex »

eco wrote: post #19

> Media outlets like TechCrunch, Gizmodo and Motherboard jumped on board to declare the memo an “Anti-Diversity Manifesto.” It appears that the ideological echo chamber extends beyond Google’s campus. As I look up and see this article flagged on HN (since unflagged). The points and ideas from his memo may be wrong or they may be right (or anywhere in between) but more important than this incident has been the reactio…

There have been several very active threads about this incident, the conversation has been mostly people talking past each other, the headline is inflammatory, and the article adds nothing new to the discussion.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by amyjess »

paapi__gudiya wrote: post #121
tylersmith wrote: post #37

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https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-man...

This whole episode has been so disgusting and shows how regressive and authoritarian the mainstream tech community is. People can't work with someone because he has a different point of view about injustice in the society and has the courage to voice it respectfully? They would resort to violence against someone because they have a different point of view? If you can resort to violence against someone and get away wi…

As a woman, I could not work with an outspoken misogynist. As a lesbian, I could not work with an outspoken homophobe. As a Jew, I could not work with an outspoken antisemite.

Forcing minorities and women to work with people who are bigoted against them is a recipe for a lawsuit.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by rocky1138 »

azinman2 wrote: post #26
fwn wrote: post #12

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> Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. They are. At least that's how civilised societies would handle it. It could be a textbook example of a decision a civil discourse could approach.

But it’s not civil when you suggest there’s inherently biological reasons for your coworkers to be inferior to you.

Did you read the document?

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by onli »

noncoml wrote: post #88
leereeves wrote: post #14

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> unsupported Did you only read the Gizmodo version that removed all the references? Here's a copy with the references: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

I don't see many references. I just see a lot of stereotyping with no citations at all. Eg: > Women, on average, have more: > ● Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing) > ● Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, hig…

The very exact text you are citing has links that lead to sources. Why would you ignore them?
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