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Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by quickben »

danharaj wrote: post #13

What else could Google have done? He made himself a visibly toxic employee to have on most teams. This might be weird to some people, but at work you have to work with other people, and while it may be OK to hold belief in general, advocating for it at work can make it harder for you to work with others. Abstract free speech crashes and burns in any situation where you can't select your peers.

Oh plenty of things. Maybe they can start with the outstanding Department of Labour lawsuit and request for information ?

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

ucaetano wrote: post #17
macspoofing wrote: post #6

I am surprised how big this 'manifesto' got. Is it really that big of a deal that it a) got all the press that it got and b) that it required a personal condemnation from "Head of Diversity" and the CEO - who will now hold a town-hall to, I guess, denounce it even more? The entire thing seems like a big nothing-burger from every side.

> I am surprised how big this 'manifesto' got. Is it really that big of a deal that it I'd guess that you feel that way because you're not affected by the issues discussed in the essay. I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself. Also, please don't think that I'm judging you or saying that you're a bad person because of it. We all…

You don't need a superpower, just a super computer to design the ultimate weapon for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_The_Hitchhiker%2...

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by nxsynonym »

azinman2 wrote: post #26
fwn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. They are. At least that's how civilised societies would handle it. It could be a textbook example of a decision a civil discourse could approach.

But it’s not civil when you suggest there’s inherently biological reasons for your coworkers to be inferior to you.

But it is. Just because he holds one opinion does not mean that he will act on it, expect google to act on it, or cause harm because of it.

Ideas don't hurt people. People with no way to voice their ideas and opinions become angry, and then hurt other people.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by wfunction »

leereeves wrote: post #14
sidlls wrote: post #8

What's more likely: the author was fired for suggesting alternate methods of improving diversity at Google or the author was fired for repeating unsupported gender stereotypes, offering alternate methods that themselves played on gender stereotypes, and creating an environment in which he would not be able to effectively carry out his responsibilities as a result of promoting gender stereotypes?

> unsupported Did you only read the Gizmodo version that removed all the references? Here's a copy with the references: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

Whoever in Gizmodo redacted or allowed the reduction of the 25+ citations should be fired.

That was such irresponsible journalism that it honestly looks actively malicious, and it wasn't matter what side you're on. You can't remove all the support someone provides for their position and hide it behind a short and vague disclaimer while presenting it as though it's materially equivalent to the original. If their evidence is bad then you include it and let people be the judges. Or just don't report on the story. What you don't do is edit it in accordance with your own opinion and misrepresent it as the original.

People need to call this crap out and shame Gizmodo, and Gizmodo needs to come clean about the honest reasons for the redaction and respond harshly enough that it doesn't happen again. The last thing we need is biased journalism, or an impression of such.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by moduspol »

gobugat wrote: post #7

> "Companies don’t have viewpoints." They do. Not reacting would have been an endorsement. Many would want to think that these issues are apolitical, or scientific, or anything "neutral". They are not. Make no mistake. This is a fight. A struggle between two visions of the world, maybe more. Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. Sooner or later, one must take a stand, which is exactly what Google execut…

> Make no mistake. This is a fight. A struggle between two visions of the world, maybe more. Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. Sooner or later, one must take a stand

Is this view not pretty clearly authoritarian? It literally comes across like a comic book villain speech.

Is it not possible that there simply are intelligent people who disagree with you validly, and that shaming them into silence isn't the best solution?

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by tylersmith »

int_19h wrote: post #25
naturalgradient wrote: post #10

What this whole episode really seems to show is how authoritarianism has crept into our lives and how incredibly difficult it is to resist it even amongst highly educated people. I would wager that none of the people calling for this person to be personally ruined, expelled from society, terminated from their job and forever vilified as an outcast would view themselves as authoritarian. Not the Tweeters shaking with…

> Not the Ex-Google guy with his medium rant about how people would punch him in the face and he would understand. Could you give a link to that rant?

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-man...

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by Retric »

quickben wrote: post #16
sidlls wrote: post #8

What's more likely: the author was fired for suggesting alternate methods of improving diversity at Google or the author was fired for repeating unsupported gender stereotypes, offering alternate methods that themselves played on gender stereotypes, and creating an environment in which he would not be able to effectively carry out his responsibilities as a result of promoting gender stereotypes?

It depends. Is Google 50-50 male female ratio, or 95-5? Likelihood usually change on the environment, just look at Uber.

Google is ~70/30 which is not unusual in IT. Women are less than 25% of the tech workforce though the exact numbers depend on what you count as Tech.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by ebola1717 »

fwn wrote: post #12
gobugat wrote: post #7

> "Companies don’t have viewpoints." They do. Not reacting would have been an endorsement. Many would want to think that these issues are apolitical, or scientific, or anything "neutral". They are not. Make no mistake. This is a fight. A struggle between two visions of the world, maybe more. Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. Sooner or later, one must take a stand, which is exactly what Google execut…

> Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. They are. At least that's how civilised societies would handle it. It could be a textbook example of a decision a civil discourse could approach.

In the textbooks, you'll see firehoses turned on protesters, bus boycotts, marches on Selma and Washington, not to mention all the bloody resistance required in South Africa, India, Algeria...
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