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Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by bathtub »

colmvp wrote: post #37
bathtub wrote: post #25

I am not happy about such ideas and usually don't use explicit words on HN but this startup is a bit off for a YC startup. It's surprising that a well-known fund invests in such a venture. Why do you want to keep people from specific religions stick together? It's for a society always better if groups mix instead of a ghettoization. I know that still many try to stay with their people which is totally fine but why en…

If you made an app just for white Christians, as a non-white non-Christian I'd be fine with it because it saves me from having to a) look at their profile, b) potentially get matched up with them, and c) waste my time. Chances are they want someone who shares a lot of their same beliefs and more importantly want someone faithful to God. Like it or not, people have preferences. A few year ago, I joined Match. You know…

What you experienced isn't right as well. That people express racial preferences on dating sites is just wrong. Dating providers should hinder such behavior.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

tboyd47 wrote: post #35

My wife is a user of this app (she has used to to help her sisters look for husbands) and so far I think it's a good product. You were wise to include the wali/chaperone option because that is clearly a key feature for many sisters. She always mentions how she's puzzled over the "Always pray / sometimes pray / never pray" options under religious practice. Can you explain your thought process in coming up with those o…

Very happy to hear that and thank you

Absolutely it's a challenge and we're aiming to be as inclusive as possible

Interesting, if you email me (ryan@muzmatch.com) I can look into this further for you

Thanks again

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by botrot »

leesalminen wrote: post #36
botrot wrote: post #26

In terms of gender, I am fluid. Does muzmatch have plans to support additional gender options? The current format only allows "Male" or "Female".

Does the religion allow for this? Not sure that it does.

I don't think this is the place for a discussion on theology. Might I suggest a slightly different question: do gay and gender fluid Muslims exist? The answer is clearly yes. One need not go far to see stories of extremist groups throwing them off of buildings for being so.

So, this leads to my original question of whether the product will enable this. I'd hate (probably too strong of a word) to see a product get awesome HN coverage that actively works against ('discriminate') LGBTQX folks.

@abbasiddartha > beat me to it. I agree.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by abbasiddartha »

leesalminen wrote: post #36
botrot wrote: post #26

In terms of gender, I am fluid. Does muzmatch have plans to support additional gender options? The current format only allows "Male" or "Female".

Does the religion allow for this? Not sure that it does.

I think it depends on your interpretation, western Muslims however are more accepting of LGBT in general.

I think the real question is whether the app is intended for people who are currently practicing muslims or people who were brought up muslim. There's many non practicing Muslims who keep the Islamic morality like former christians and jews do.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

anindha wrote: post #15

Dating apps right now feel a little like pre-Facebook social networks. There is one for every niche. I wonder why there isn't a platform for single people where dating companies are just apps on top of the platform. Seems like bad user experience that a user needs to maintain multiple accounts. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a great idea but I think the really big company in this space will be a platform for sin…

Interesting concept, the key difference with specific niche apps is the intent of the user when signing up

We're solving for very specific requirements, aside from the benefit of shared identity I think it'd be a lot harder to keep the product free of feature creep and still appeal to all

Thanks for the kind words

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

navalsaini wrote: post #9

Pretty cool guys. I can see from the play store comments that your users love the app. Best wishes. Whats 'Halal, free, and fun'? Whats you tech stack like?

Thank you!

Halal being "ok" Islamically, free as the old competition are very expensive, and fun so the process sounds noncommittal (many are put off by fearing being rushed into something they're not necessarily ready for)

It's a LEMP stack heavily utilising Memcached for performance and XMPP for real time functionality

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by civilian »

bathtub wrote: post #49
ramphastidae wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you want to keep people from spedific religions stick together? It's for a society always better if groups mix instead of this ghettoization. I know that still many try to stay with their folks which is ok but why to enforce it? They are not forcing anyone to do anything. They are giving people an option. If a Muslim wants to marry another Muslim, and this helps them accomplish that better than Tinder or any…

As I wrote: It strengthens and enforces typical stereotypes which don't make life easier for the target demo.

If anything that "strengthens and enforces typical stereotypes" is a bad thing, I should've been banned from attending mathlete competitions or LAN parties. Those definitely reinforced stereotypes and made some aspects of my life harder. :]

It's a free world dude.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by bathtub »

dang wrote: post #47
bathtub wrote: post #25

I am not happy about such ideas and usually don't use explicit words on HN but this startup is a bit off for a YC startup. It's surprising that a well-known fund invests in such a venture. Why do you want to keep people from specific religions stick together? It's for a society always better if groups mix instead of a ghettoization. I know that still many try to stay with their people which is totally fine but why en…

There are plenty of apps for Christians, as for all other kinds of specialized markets. When you say 'white Christians' you're changing the subject in a particularly trollish way. Please don't comment like that here.

Dear Dang,

> When you say 'white Christians' you're changing the subject in a particularly trollish wa

No, it is not trollish, not at all. It's exactly what they are doing and IDK what is different with my example. 'Religion' is also often used as a polite way to target ethnicity. Which is also reflected in my example (and exaggerated to make it clear).

Dang, I think I brought some valid points and I would be happy to hear your/YC's opinion without sticking to some rethoric nuances of my post. Since YC is invested there might be some bias on your side.

This idea discriminates and strongly creates stereotypes. If latter is wrong please let me know why. Or Sam may reply.

I can't stop such ideas but I can kindly ask people like you who represent HN why you back such businesses.

You can answer, you can ban or shadowban me and/or censor this post. But whatever you do I would be happy about a response.

Just imagine I would be one of the bigger LPs of YC (before shadowbanning me).

To the downvoters: just keep on, I don't care.

EDIT: regarding you other point

> There are plenty of apps for Christians, as for all other kinds of specialized markets.

They are also just plainly wrong. The subtle difference is that YC is in none of them invested. And for some very good reason.

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

bogomipz wrote: post #38

>"We refer to ourselves as a dating app largely for SEO but the reality is our users don’t tend to date, they marry!" If your users "don't tend to date" then why are you optimizing for the word "dating" why not SEO for term "marrying app"? >"We’ve tried to build a product that feels fun and light but respects our demographic’s culture and sensibilities, being halal is essential. Some unique features:" I'm sorry but w…

We found the common terminology is Muslim dating even though the intent is very different, kind of like how the smartphone is simply called "phone" but isn't (largely) used for that purpose

All of those features are optional, to most it's very much fun and light

Re: Launch HN: Muzmatch (YC S17) – A place where 400M single Muslims can meet

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Post by brod_ie »

1123581321 wrote: post #27

Commenting on the wali/chaperone feature: I'm actually surprised that MuzMatch is the first network I've seen with support for unobtrusive third parties in conversations. I think there might be a general business opportunity there if they execute the limited dating application well. CCing/BCCing in a business setting is a limited communication management tool vulnerable to political distractions. Idling in chat is un…

Totally

Don't get me started on email..!

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