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Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

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Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

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Even the SEC realizes that not all token sales are securities. Some people in the industry simply aren't getting it, they are creating a straw man which the agency isn't even arguing for.

> The agency said that it would focus on coins that should be categorized as securities.

So there are all these people on the periphery just HOPING for their prophecy of a heavy handed government breaking the cryptocurrency rush.

They read the headlines.

They create the headlines.

They purposefully don't read the SEC report or consider any information to the contrary of what they are expecting.

Despite S.E.C. WARNING? This is an article about everyone getting smarter and restructuring their offering where necessary, and continuing to move forward.

Even the WARNING in the SEC's DAO report two weeks ago acknowledged that not all token offerings were securities. But detractors and regulated entities with a legitimate reason to be skittish, used it as the WELP SHOW'S OVER GUYS argument which is completely unfounded.

> Nick Morgan, formerly a lawyer in the S.E.C.’s enforcement division, said that the security label was likely to apply to any coin that an investor buys with the expectation that it will increase in value as a result of the efforts of the entrepreneurs who created it.

The SEC still answers to the courts, and this consolidation of capital will allow these new organizations to take it to the courts efficiently. The Howey test from the 1940s did not consider this kind of asset to ever exist. It isn't an end all be all, it is a test.

The SEC is not mandated by Congress to undermine interstate commerce, it is created to provide confidence. So far, they've been playing it smart.

Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can short btc on several platforms, including Bitfinex There is a horrible counterparty correlation in this trade. If Bitcoin goes up, you're out your short and lose lots of money. If Bitcoin crashes, the exchange runs into problems and you probably lose your original investment. Balanced against those is the limited profit potential from a marginal drop in the price of Bitcoin.

Why would the exchange run into problems in such a case? Some are certainly more reputable than others, but for the most part there's no reason to worry there.

Typically during BTC crashes even the best exchanges struggle to keep up with the load of people selling.

Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

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I am thinking a short position in bitcoin is in my near future. I am not saying bitcoin is doomed to fail but I am pretty confident this shit coin crazy is going to hit the fan sooner or later and it's going to drag the "legitimate" crypto currencies down.

The money from bitcoin is coming from the liquidation of the current economy (stocks, bonds, dollars), go long on the US dollar rather than short bitcoin, your sentiment analysis for cryptocurrency does not match the market

Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

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I am thinking a short position in bitcoin is in my near future. I am not saying bitcoin is doomed to fail but I am pretty confident this shit coin crazy is going to hit the fan sooner or later and it's going to drag the "legitimate" crypto currencies down.

Just in the past three months bitcoin has gone from $1500 to $3000 to $2500 to $1800 to $2900 to $2500 to $3400. You'd make more with a lot less risk just waiting for a dip and buying.

That volatility is perfect for a mean reversion strategy.

Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

#25

Add to this "Beyond Bitcoin: Overstock Lets Customers Pay With More Than 40 Alt Coins" http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/overstock-digital-currency/

huh?

> Out of the leading 500 internet sellers, just three accept bitcoin, down from five last year.

http://www.businessinsider.com/merchants-arent-accepting-bit...

Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

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post #3

I am thinking a short position in bitcoin is in my near future. I am not saying bitcoin is doomed to fail but I am pretty confident this shit coin crazy is going to hit the fan sooner or later and it's going to drag the "legitimate" crypto currencies down.

My predictions are:

- craziness is only going to increase: people have realised they can create money out of thin air with an ICO, or fork of an existing coin

- authorities will take a while to catch up and make arrests

- a lot of people will be taken for suckers

- crypto prices will continue to rise, including both halves of the bitcoin fork

- I'm not going anywhere near this madness

Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

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post #3

I am thinking a short position in bitcoin is in my near future. I am not saying bitcoin is doomed to fail but I am pretty confident this shit coin crazy is going to hit the fan sooner or later and it's going to drag the "legitimate" crypto currencies down.

Managing risk is all that matters. Have a plan to manage the trade if you're wrong.

Re: Despite S.E.C. Warning, Wave of Initial Coin Offerings Grows

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post #3

I am thinking a short position in bitcoin is in my near future. I am not saying bitcoin is doomed to fail but I am pretty confident this shit coin crazy is going to hit the fan sooner or later and it's going to drag the "legitimate" crypto currencies down.

Beware that: “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” (John Maynard Keynes) Especially relevant to short selling

100%.

I agree that BTC has been in a bubble, but if I had ever acted on this hunch, I'd be so far underwater right now. There's no telling how long the rally might continue, nor where the correction will settle.

The other commenter made the astute observation that the less leveraged way to make this bet would be to go long on some competing asset.

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