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Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by wildmusings »

hidden-markov wrote: post #65
k-mcgrady wrote: post #28

This thread seems to be a perfect demonstration of the problems when it comes to diversity in tech. People just don't seem to get it. I see the same thing in threads around big SV names sexually harassing women (and in those cases it blows my mind even more that people don't get that it's a problem). It seems like a lot of people are basing their opinions on logic (fine) but in a perfect world where everyone has equa…

This thread feels like a Breitbart comment section.

That's a nice tactic for discounting people's thoughtful opinions. Cognitive dissonance resolved!

Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by geodel »

ryandvm wrote: post #74
koolba wrote: post #5

Quoting Sundar Pichai (Google CEO), emphasis mine: > At the same time, there are co-workers who are questioning whether they can safely express their views in the workplace (especially those with a minority viewpoint) . They too feel under threat, and that is also not OK. People must feel free to express dissent. So to be clear again, many points raised in the memo—such as the portions criticizing Google’s trainings,…

The moral of the story is something most adults figure out by their mid 20s: if you like your job, keep your mouth shut about your political/religious beliefs. And despite what any employer will tell you about their workplace being an open forum, they are full of shit. What they mean is, it's an open forum to agree with management.

I agree. This kind of righteousness has no place in modern corporates. I will add even CEOs/management is not safe from getting fired. The difference could possibly be huge severance in case of such incidence.

Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by Mangalor »

cnlwsu wrote: post #150

Keep politics/religion out of work. Its one thing to rant on reddit at end of day, its another to broadcast it to co workers. What did he expect would happen? His little write up would change everyones mind? Both left/right are extremists these days and will never change. All you will do is alienate and anger a bunch of co workers for a few pats on back from "your" side. While the smart people will put heads down and…

False equivalency. The left at least advocates for inclusion, and asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers.

Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by whipoodle »

koolba wrote: post #5

Quoting Sundar Pichai (Google CEO), emphasis mine: > At the same time, there are co-workers who are questioning whether they can safely express their views in the workplace (especially those with a minority viewpoint) . They too feel under threat, and that is also not OK. People must feel free to express dissent. So to be clear again, many points raised in the memo—such as the portions criticizing Google’s trainings,…

I don't think they can get away with "gotta hear both sides" on this one. They fired the guy as in my opinion they should have.

Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by jsf666 »

eeks wrote: post #68
se2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you have misconstrued the message Sundar was giving. The difference between having the freedom to speak one's mind, and breaching a code of conduct that you sign when you agree to work for Google is clear cut in his note.

You cannot pose as a parangon of free speech when your company just fired a dissenting voice. For all intents and purposes the content of the memo was balanced, polite, and restricted to the Google audience. The adult reaction should have been to punish the leaker (which I believe should be an actual breach of the code of conduct) and organize internal debates to allow multiple viewpoints to confront. Rallying with t…

> real gender pay gap issues

There is no such thing, there's been a plethora of research about this that disprove this false claim

Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Mangalor wrote: post #153
cnlwsu wrote: post #150

Keep politics/religion out of work. Its one thing to rant on reddit at end of day, its another to broadcast it to co workers. What did he expect would happen? His little write up would change everyones mind? Both left/right are extremists these days and will never change. All you will do is alienate and anger a bunch of co workers for a few pats on back from "your" side. While the smart people will put heads down and…

False equivalency. The left at least advocates for inclusion, and asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers.

> asking your workplace not to discriminate is not "just as bad as" saying women shouldn't be able to be engineers

The former is exactly what the author of the memo did, and they got fired for it.

Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by [deleted] »

cnlwsu wrote: post #150

Keep politics/religion out of work. Its one thing to rant on reddit at end of day, its another to broadcast it to co workers. What did he expect would happen? His little write up would change everyones mind? Both left/right are extremists these days and will never change. All you will do is alienate and anger a bunch of co workers for a few pats on back from "your" side. While the smart people will put heads down and…

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Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by intern4tional »

pyroinferno wrote: post #134
cynicalkane wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also from the memo: > However, portions of the memo violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace. Our job is to build great products for users that make a difference in their lives. To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK. It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of C…

>which he wasn't. I'm sure you have sources that disprove his sources. How about you post them.

He's most likely referencing his next two lines down, "As part of Google's mandatory diversity training, one is presented with Google's internal research claiming that unconscious bias is real and measurable, and that diversity hiring yields both better individual and group performance. Google has a line which they feel is backed by research..." so he can't post that data publicly as it is Google's private research.

It doesn't mean it doesn't exist though, just that we won't get access to it.

Re: Note to Google Employees from CEO Sundar Pichai

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Post by tp3z4u »

ExploitsforFun wrote: post #72

SV has had major problems sheltering people in leadership who have used their positions to sexually exploit their female subordinates. Yet a mid level engineer publicly questions some of the company's diversity policies and gets fired. Many of publicly stated reasons about women leaving tech is predatory behavior by people in leadership. How about initiatives about getting rid of individuals like that.

It's totally fine for Sergey Brin to have an affair with his subordinate Amanda Rosenberg.
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