NASA Got Sick of All That Conspiracy Thing and Released Over 10,000 Photos
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#2In re: the "hoax": We have been to the Moon. There is a mirror up there that you can bounce a laser off of, so anyone who doubts that we've been to the Moon is ignorant (or an idiot.)
I find it plausible that we also faked it.
Think about it. The mission was to beat the Russians.
Picture a smoke-filled conference room at JPL, it's late, past midnight. The engineers are huddled, trying to figure out how the heck they're gonna make it up there without some disaster or mishap. Then the guy in the back, the one smoking his pipe, says quietly, "Say fellas..." Before you know it, they're on the phone to Stanley Kubrick, and the rest isn't history.
Re: NASA Got Sick of All That Conspiracy Thing and Released Over 10,000 Photos
#3tl;dr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/ In re: the "hoax": We have been to the Moon. There is a mirror up there that you can bounce a laser off of, so anyone who doubts that we've been to the Moon is ignorant (or an idiot.) I find it plausible that we also faked it . Think about it. The mission was to beat the Russians. Picture a smoke-filled conference room at JPL, it's late, past midnight. The en…
Remember, Larry Baysinger, a ham in Kentucky, was able to receive and record some of the VHF communications. The Soviets were surely able to do better.
If the US had faked the landing, don't you think the Soviets would have pounced on the chance of exposing an American lie?
http://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com/ goes into many of the reason for how it isn't plausible that the US faked it. I'll pick a few I like. 1) how did Apollo 11 return 21.55 kg of Moon rocks without people? 2) how are the long scenes of low-gee walking done on Earth? 3) how were the fakers of the 1960s able to produce multi-hour single-shot scenes and photographs which hold up to decades of scrutiny, including matching modern high-resolution topological data of the Moon gathered by non-US space probes? 4) how did they fake video of moondust falling at 1/6th gee in a vacuum?
Re: NASA Got Sick of All That Conspiracy Thing and Released Over 10,000 Photos
#4tl;dr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/ In re: the "hoax": We have been to the Moon. There is a mirror up there that you can bounce a laser off of, so anyone who doubts that we've been to the Moon is ignorant (or an idiot.) I find it plausible that we also faked it . Think about it. The mission was to beat the Russians. Picture a smoke-filled conference room at JPL, it's late, past midnight. The en…
The Soviets had radio telescopes and their probes on the Moon had already sent back pictures. They surely had the ability to listen to US transmissions from the Moon. Remember, Larry Baysinger, a ham in Kentucky, was able to receive and record some of the VHF communications. The Soviets were surely able to do better. If the US had faked the landing, don't you think the Soviets would have pounced on the chance of expo…
Re: NASA Got Sick of All That Conspiracy Thing and Released Over 10,000 Photos
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Soviets had radio telescopes and their probes on the Moon had already sent back pictures. They surely had the ability to listen to US transmissions from the Moon. Remember, Larry Baysinger, a ham in Kentucky, was able to receive and record some of the VHF communications. The Soviets were surely able to do better. If the US had faked the landing, don't you think the Soviets would have pounced on the chance of expo…
I'm saying (suggesting really) that we did go to the moon (duh!) and we also faked it , just in case something went wrong with the real mission.
Even as a reserve, where was the budget hidden? how many people would be needed? are they the same as the real staff, or is there an entirely new cast sworn to secrecy? In the latter, if the option were used, how do you explain all of the new voices and people? In either case, how many rehearsals would be needed to be ready, just in case this backup plan was needed?
How do you convince, say, the Australian staff of the dish at Parkes that they were receiving a "real" signal ... or would they have been in on the secret at the last minute?
What do you say when the project boss asks "how do we keep the Soviets from finding out?"
What's the odds that the Soviets have no spies, agents, or sympathizers who would find out? Even if they did find out and decided to keep it secret anyway, how did that secret survive past the collapse of the Soviet Union?
There's nothing about the "also faked it" proposal which makes any sense, politically or technically.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm saying (suggesting really) that we did go to the moon (duh!) and we also faked it , just in case something went wrong with the real mission.
And I'm saying that no one would have faked it, even as a backup, because it would have been so easily discovered had it been tried, and with huge political downsides. Even as a reserve, where was the budget hidden? how many people would be needed? are they the same as the real staff, or is there an entirely new cast sworn to secrecy? In the latter, if the option were used, how do you explain all of the new voices an…
Really, my point is that there is a third option, a "gripping hand", between the true-believer in the hoax and the true-believer in the no-hoax world views.
I can't begin to tell you what might have made sense to whom, but uh...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
Maybe it was a Potemkin Manhattan? ;-)
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
And I'm saying that no one would have faked it, even as a backup, because it would have been so easily discovered had it been tried, and with huge political downsides. Even as a reserve, where was the budget hidden? how many people would be needed? are they the same as the real staff, or is there an entirely new cast sworn to secrecy? In the latter, if the option were used, how do you explain all of the new voices an…
I'm not a conspiracy nit (for that conspiracy anyhow) so I'm not going to try to answer those very good objections. I have no idea how it might have actually worked, if at all. Really, my point is that there is a third option, a "gripping hand", between the true-believer in the hoax and the true-believer in the no-hoax world views. I can't begin to tell you what might have made sense to whom, but uh... https://en.wik…
And a fifth - the backup plan was to use alien technology on loan from the Men in Black so we it would appear we went to the Moon ourselves.
Really, once you start with hoaxes you need to figure out which hoax to triangulate. Why single out the "it was all a movie stage" hoax?
What is your point about the two links? Quoting from the first link: "Modern historians are divided on the degree of truth behind the Potemkin village story, and some writers argue that the story is an exaggeration. According to Simon Sebag-Montefiore ... the tale ... is largely fictional.[3] Aleksandr Panchenko ... conclude[s] that the Potemkin villages are a myth."
I think from your last links you mean to imply the assertion that the nuclear bomb project was a well-kept secret.
This isn't true.
Quoting from the second link: "By early 1943 newspapers began publishing reports of large construction in Tennessee and Washington based on public records, and the office began discussing with the project how to maintain secrecy."
Also, The Atlantic has an article titled "The Time a Cleveland Newspaper Divulged the Manhattan Project". It start "Before Woodward and Bernstein, before Glenn Greenwald, there was John W. Raper, a columnist for the Cleveland Press, who stumbled across something very odd while on vacation in New Mexico." - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/09/the-t... .
And of course the British and Soviets knew about it.
In any case, enough information leaked out that less than 25 years later "three newly graduated physics students were given the task of developing a detailed weapon design using only public domain information. The project reached a successful conclusion, that is, they did develop a viable design (detailed in the classified report UCRL-50248) after expending only three man-years of effort over two and a half calendar years." - http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq4.html . http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq4.html and http://io9.gizmodo.com/this-experiment-proved-that-anyone-co... .
If the US couldn't keep the nuclear bomb design a secret, how would anyone high-up in government think that plans for a faked moon landing could be keep secret?
Here's another example you could have listed - the secret war in Laos and Cambodia, with bombings from 1964 to 1973. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu . That secret lasted for about 10 years, though declassification in 2000 shows that many things were still secret 25 years later.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a conspiracy nit (for that conspiracy anyhow) so I'm not going to try to answer those very good objections. I have no idea how it might have actually worked, if at all. Really, my point is that there is a third option, a "gripping hand", between the true-believer in the hoax and the true-believer in the no-hoax world views. I can't begin to tell you what might have made sense to whom, but uh... https://en.wik…
There is a fourth - you are in a constructed bubble like the movie Truman and none of this history actually happened. And a fifth - the backup plan was to use alien technology on loan from the Men in Black so we it would appear we went to the Moon ourselves. Really, once you start with hoaxes you need to figure out which hoax to triangulate. Why single out the "it was all a movie stage" hoax? What is your point about…
You don't expect me to provide evidence of a secret program that stayed secret do you? Because if so, you've got me.
Here's my current favorite: http://www.doctormarysmonkey.com/index.htm
> How the unsolved murder of a doctor, a secret laboratory in New Orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assassination and emerging global epidemics.
(My point is not that any one specific weird thing happened, but that some weird things did.)