“Rest and vest”: engineers who get paid and barely work • Hacker News Board

Re: “Rest and vest”: engineers who get paid and barely work

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Post by thaumasiotes » Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 8:22 PM UTC

k__ wrote: post #266

thaumasiotes wrote: post #81

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> They have the rule that you either get better and a promotion or you will be fired. The conventional term for this is "up or out".

Yes, but why aren't other companies do this?

Up-or-out relies on a constant intake of new staff. You'll have to do a lot more hiring, and you're applying a pretty strong personality filter on the company.

And as Applejinx says, the fact that someone isn't suited to the role above them doesn't mean they aren't suited to their current role. Up-or-out means tossing out the guy who knows his job well and is doing it well to replace him with someone who's never done it before and needs a training period; this is significant overhead applied to every job in the company.

Re: “Rest and vest”: engineers who get paid and barely work

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Post by Bromskloss » Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 9:28 PM UTC

sctb wrote: post #329

needlessly wrote: post #257

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Re: “Rest and vest”: engineers who get paid and barely work

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Post by sctb » Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 10:54 PM UTC

Bromskloss wrote: post #332

sctb wrote: post #329

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Re: “Rest and vest”: engineers who get paid and barely work

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Post by sn9 » Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 2:42 AM UTC

mattnewton wrote: post #317

sn9 wrote: post #240

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Right they aren't advertised that way, but they can certainly be interpreted that way. There's rarely any sort of explanation of the numbering system in job posts. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a III requires more experience than a I or II.

By not advertised I mean it simply isn't in the job posting. You apply to google and they talk to you during be process about the level. https://careers.google.com/jobs#!t=jo&jid=/google/software-e... https://careers.google.com/how-we-hire/?&src=Online/House%20...

Yes but I haven't been talking about just Google, and I have been talking about applying in the first place. My point was that some people may not apply, thinking that those jobs require more experience than they do. Think entry-level vs. junior.

Re: “Rest and vest”: engineers who get paid and barely work

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Post by madhadron » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 1:30 AM UTC

ksk wrote: post #323

madhadron wrote: post #129

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Conversely, most engineers only have three to five hours of really hard, sustainable technical work in them per day, and that's assuming a regular schedule, adequate sleep, good nutrition, no major emotional upsets going on... Now, that is work . No checking Facebook. No checking email. Process optimized so there are no long periods of waiting around. I have had periods when my day was six hours: five hours of hard w…

>Conversely, most engineers only have three to five hours of really hard, sustainable technical work in them per day, What makes you say that?

Measuring myself for a decade and a half, and some data from colleagues measuring themselves on my suggestion, and watching youngsters that I was mentoring.