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On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

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Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

#11

Maybe it's okay for people to be outraged about some things.

But is it okay to campaign towards the goal of firing someone for expressing an opinion they feel outraged about?

To some, the mere expression of an outrageous opinion is a form of violence in and of itself.

Following this logic, any who express such ideas to others should be sanctioned as if they committed physical violence.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

#12
What happens when the lone voice is in the right, and the mass of people are in the wrong, and all of the preponderance of current science and wisdom is against the lone voice?

It's no great stretch to find examples through history of this in different social contexts.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

#13

It's interesting to note that the only reason this is a news story is because "a Google engineer" wrote it. If the essay had been published entirely anonymously, then it would have attracted no attention at all, like a dozen similar essays. The story is the source, not the content.

The story is not "a Google engineer wrote it". The story is "a large fraction of Google circulated and endorsed it". That's what makes this news.

Have there been any articles / pieces about it from women working at Google? I'd be interested in hearing that perspective.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

#14

It's interesting to note that the only reason this is a news story is because "a Google engineer" wrote it. If the essay had been published entirely anonymously, then it would have attracted no attention at all, like a dozen similar essays. The story is the source, not the content.

Are you sure?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/1...

Justin Keller was a nobody.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

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The thing is, the guy wrote what many people think - outside of tech. It just so happens that techies happen to be very open oftentimes.

I mean, what this person wrote, I heard it on various occasions in different formulations from various people. Even a woman (a Psychologist student at that time) once told me she'd rather have a male dentist and a male president.

I imagine tech industry to be brutal for woman, but so are probably a lot of other areas like construction works, virtually anything with hand-labour involved, not to speak about the military.

Anyways, it's great that people in the tech industry speak what they think. Maybe things change faster this way.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story is not "a Google engineer wrote it". The story is "a large fraction of Google circulated and endorsed it". That's what makes this news.

Have there been any articles / pieces about it from women working at Google? I'd be interested in hearing that perspective.

Several of them have tweeted about it.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

#17

Maybe it's okay for people to be outraged about some things.

Sure is! People can be offended all they want. Where things get really iffy is when they want 'justice'. It often means that they try to get that person fired or lambasted in front of their peers. I don't see how that's at all constructive, let alone 'justice'. At the very least, it leads to even more divisiveness, instead of rational discussion. As a thought experiment: have you ever seen someone change their mind o…

My manager threatened one of my co-workers with termination if they didn't take a more proactive approach towards making the code he wrote more robust. He took out specific examples of shit code he wrote, and had us criticize it and the mindset that created it. It changed how he programmed for the better and his outlook towards his job.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

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> I don’t think it made much sense, and what I did understand of it seemed very poorly argued.

As someone who forms opinions, I care more about the argument than how poorly it was argued. Is it biased, or even racist or sexist, of me to have such a view?

Edit: I wish the author of this piece sounded less frightened.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

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post #12

What happens when the lone voice is in the right, and the mass of people are in the wrong, and all of the preponderance of current science and wisdom is against the lone voice? It's no great stretch to find examples through history of this in different social contexts.

If the preponderance of current science is against the lone voice, then it's highly likely that the lone voice is not in the right.

Re: On managing outrage in Silicon Valley

#20

Maybe it's okay for people to be outraged about some things.

But is it okay to campaign towards the goal of firing someone for expressing an opinion they feel outraged about?

> But is it okay to campaign towards the goal of firing someone for expressing an opinion they feel outraged about?

It depends what the opinion is, and what job the person holds, and the relationship between those two things. The idea that the coercive power of government should not be deployed against expression doesn't mean all ideas or equal or that there are never conditions where expression should have negative consequences.

(In fact, any answer to your question implies that there are ideas that are unacceptable to express.)

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