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Algorithm That Makes Preschoolers Obsessed with YouTube

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Re: Algorithm That Makes Preschoolers Obsessed with YouTube

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I hear what you're saying. As a kid in the bad old days, pre-Internet, I used to play outside with my friends for hours at a time. Is that not an option anymore?

It's an option if you want to get harassed by Child Protection Services, the police, etc. All it takes is one asshole (Or good Samaritan) to give the latter a call, and you'll have a lot of explaining to do. And heaven help you if either group finds a joint in your home.

Some examples of that making the news every now and then.

Nobody's gonna call Child Protection Services on you when the kids are at home with the iPad.

Re: Algorithm That Makes Preschoolers Obsessed with YouTube

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> once the "boring" educational content starts Imagine a cartoon about a kid playing with a doll. Cartoon creators know a lot about related topics, like life skills, social dynamics, fashion, etc. And so they can seamlessly integrate bits of those rich domains of expertise into the cartoon. The OP cartoon bear video covers a lot of ground. But now imagine a cartoon about a kid playing with a puddle. Cartoon creators…

The thing is, kids are incredibly primed to recognise and cherish brands. I find it shocking, to be honest. They want a Paw Patrol figurine to emerge from the play-doh, for the millionth time. Not some stupid liquid hydrogen (I view it the other way around, but I'm not the target audience). And the pull of those silly videos is incredibly strong. We also have an excellent app with literally hundreds of educational cl…

The MIT K-12 video "How Do Braces Work?" has 4.7M views. It's an outlier, but FWIW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zzA4BU2e58

>> or liquid nitrogen, or hydrogen,

> Not some stupid liquid hydrogen

Eeep! I'd intended the "liquid" to be scoped by the comma. :) Though I'd expect liquid hydrogen to be even more popular than the pop of hydrogen gas. The play doh freezes, and breaks like glass, and then... people like big explosions.

Neat Maus show - thanks.

But... consider the difference in testing culture between app development, and education video development. I tried creating some education video, using software style iterative development, and street guerilla usability testing. Which turned up all sorts of unexpected failure modes (say "millimeters", and some have traumatic flashbacks to learning metric in school; say "fun story about viruses!", and for some, that has the emotional loading of "fun story about genocide!"). Later, I was chatting about it with someone from WGBH, Boston's PBS station. Which makes a lot of education videos. Their comment was something like, yes, we'd love to try iterative development and testing, and we will... just as soon as we find anyone willing to fund it. So an underperformance of science education videos seems no more surprising than an underperformance of large-scale waterfall software projects.

> kids are incredibly primed to recognise and cherish brands

So I'd rephrase this as: the toy industry devotes lots of effort and money and testing, to creating things kids will recognize and cherish... and the science education video industry simply doesn't.

As for the "silly" videos, imagine you were playing with kids. You might do something much like in those "silly" videos - hands on, rich in phenomena (play doh tearing, describing objects, making choices, and on and on)... fun and interesting. You wouldn't do "Now I will show you a still photograph of part of a bottle of sun screen. Note the number 10..." blah blah blah (example from the Mouse TV 1 video). I myself found the silly videos more engaging, despite an ignorance of, and distaste for, the branding and characters. So I suggest at least some of the appeal is elsewhere.

I greatly enjoy going to research talks. I generally don't bother watching science education videos. There's a richness in one that's missing from the other. And consider molecular biology thesis defenses (went to one yesterday), which at least around MIT and Harvard, end with a long thank you section. Something I've not seen in other fields. It extends to family, and significant others, and pets, and friends. It is illustrated with funny photos, and is leavened with inside jokes, and hints of their challenges and character. A moment of standing at this major milestone in their life, and looking back. It is just a richly textured few minutes. Not all defense acknowledgements are that notable. And yes, there are some science education videos which try to capture a bit of that in interviews. But you don't have people crying, or slips like "thank you to my husband " as the room cracks up. It could be valuable educationally, to show those segments to kids. Especially with students from underrepresented groups, or no-college families. So they could see, that person is like me - that could be me in a few years, and it looks like they had fun getting there. But like so much else in science research, which might be of value in science education, the incentives along the pipeline to get them from one to the other, are absent or dysfunctional.

> this flood of trash

So perhaps a more upbeat perspective, might be that society is investing lots of creativity and resources, to discovering how to create compelling media and storytelling. Yay! And it's now up to people who care about science education, to create content which leverages those insights.

Hmm, I wonder how VR/AR will impact this silly video niche... hands-on direct manipulation play-doh egg surprises?

Re: Algorithm That Makes Preschoolers Obsessed with YouTube

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We plan to add GitHub progress tracking just for fun. Last year we had full PITM, parent in the middle support, instant YouTube video notification, search history, but 2 problems, I worried parent would login to bank on child's device, exposing creds to server and also, kids use crazy amount of gigs per day. Traffic volume to cloud http proxy was massive during tests.

Implement the proxy on-prem? (Raspberry Pi, etc.)

Yea, that is on our list.

Re: Algorithm That Makes Preschoolers Obsessed with YouTube

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This is how my 11 year old daughter uses YouTube now... After 30 min, DNS no longer works for entertainment sites. In order to fix that she has to do 5 Khan problems or read thoery.com, Duolingo, prodigy math, code monkey, splash math, Xtra math, or typing club. It takes her 5 to 7 mins to earn points. My server detects points and re enables DNS replies for YouTube, etc. Best result so far is she now understands how…

For the record: 'Circle with Disney' uses ARP poisoning to do this without per-endpoint-setup; a one-time device buy for the home + subscription for on-the-go/mobile data (which VPNs back through the device at home). https://meetcircle.com/

We are avoiding having a wireless router right now. Circle is time restriction, we feel integration with Khan and other education sites is abetter way to reduce unproductive internet time.
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