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Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

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This link appears to be little more than a reworded version of the APA press release [1]. I'm still not sure where the actual study is. [1] http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/08/lonely-die.as...

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691614568352

Done by a Prof. at BYU

edit: Here's the original BYU new article as well: https://news.byu.edu/news/prescription-living-longer-spend-l...

Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

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Loneliness is a psychological problem masquerading as a social one. Look, there are people all around us. Neighborhood streets have, what, 50 people on them? People congregate at churches, bars, coffee shops, even Wal-Marts. Loneliness is a self-inflicted problem. I'm not saying that to belittle it, I'm saying it because the reasons most people give for being lonely have nothing to do with the actual reasons. Real, a…

> I had a status problem that was presenting as loneliness.

There is a lot more to loneliness than a superficial fixation with status.

You could be the president of the US or achieve all you hoped for and still be afflicted with loneliness.

I'd argue that success is leads to loneliness as much as the lack of success.

Also, I think rather than a psychological/therapy problem, loneliness is a philosophical problem. We all have friends, families, networks, etc, but the more aware we become/the wiser/more philosophical, the more we realize that we are truly alone. No matter what, we were born "alone" and we die "alone".

There are coping mechanisms ( religion, new age life force, etc ) but from a philosophical point of view, it is the understanding that we are all "consciously" alone. Nobody can truly know us and that we are ultimately all alone.

Sometimes, the loneliest place on earth is at a holiday gathering surrounded by your friends and family.

Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

#93

Loneliness is a psychological problem masquerading as a social one. Look, there are people all around us. Neighborhood streets have, what, 50 people on them? People congregate at churches, bars, coffee shops, even Wal-Marts. Loneliness is a self-inflicted problem. I'm not saying that to belittle it, I'm saying it because the reasons most people give for being lonely have nothing to do with the actual reasons. Real, a…

> I had a status problem that was presenting as loneliness. There is a lot more to loneliness than a superficial fixation with status. You could be the president of the US or achieve all you hoped for and still be afflicted with loneliness. I'd argue that success is leads to loneliness as much as the lack of success. Also, I think rather than a psychological/therapy problem, loneliness is a philosophical problem. We…

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Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

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Loneliness is a psychological problem masquerading as a social one. Look, there are people all around us. Neighborhood streets have, what, 50 people on them? People congregate at churches, bars, coffee shops, even Wal-Marts. Loneliness is a self-inflicted problem. I'm not saying that to belittle it, I'm saying it because the reasons most people give for being lonely have nothing to do with the actual reasons. Real, a…

> I had a status problem that was presenting as loneliness. There is a lot more to loneliness than a superficial fixation with status. You could be the president of the US or achieve all you hoped for and still be afflicted with loneliness. I'd argue that success is leads to loneliness as much as the lack of success. Also, I think rather than a psychological/therapy problem, loneliness is a philosophical problem. We…

That was my issue. Everybody's is going to be different. Regardless, it's always ultimately a personal problem, with a personal solution, not one with society. Only you can know what your intense longing and pain actually require, and only you can take action to make it part of your life.

Calling it a philosophical problem isn't helpful because philosophical problems don't have solutions, only approaches for thinking about them. You're effectively saying that you don't want to not be lonely.

Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

#95

Loneliness and obesity have a common origin, or at least significantly overlapping causes. They both derive from living in an environment that is a) substantially different from what we are evolved for and b) loaded with social pressures and saturated with advertising that pressures people into making bad choices. There's no way you can argue that obesity is anything other than a conflict between the environment we e…

Like most arguments stemming from evolutionary biology you're taking things for granted and haven't presented a falsifiable hypothesis. Sugar and white flour do not meet the medical criteria for addictive substances. Labor force mobility has actually been declining in the USA.

Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

#96

Loneliness is a psychological problem masquerading as a social one. Look, there are people all around us. Neighborhood streets have, what, 50 people on them? People congregate at churches, bars, coffee shops, even Wal-Marts. Loneliness is a self-inflicted problem. I'm not saying that to belittle it, I'm saying it because the reasons most people give for being lonely have nothing to do with the actual reasons. Real, a…

Well, for me, it's not that my loneliness is self-inflicted but a byproduct of having gender dysphoria and not much courage to actually transition or even socialize with other folks who are trans. Ultimately, my life is a pretty shallow one. I haven't gone to a movie with any friend or an acquaintance since I was 17 (I'm currently 37). So it's really hard to be a friend to anyone or even have someone who would want to be mine. When you don't socialize or have a means to socialize beyond a computer it becomes one of those habits that's impossible to learn when you're an adult. I don't know if I'll ever get out of this, personally, since the social skills I've built up are of the impersonal kind (good at work, professional as needed, reliable, but not relatable or warm).

Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But without massive a public investment in psychological health, personalized treatment will remain a luxury solution for those who can afford it. Hopefully with greater automation, we can free up more people to become therapists.

Also liberate people of the money to pay those therapists. /s I love shortsighted technological solutions to social problems.

Your cynical view is very old [1]:

>Predictions that automation will make humans redundant have been made before, however, going back to the Industrial Revolution, when textile workers, most famously the Luddites, protested that machines and steam engines would destroy their livelihoods. “Never until now did human invention devise such expedients for dispensing with the labour of the poor,” said a pamphlet at the time. Subsequent outbreaks of concern occurred in the 1920s (“March of the machine makes idle hands”, declared a New York Times headline in 1928), the 1930s (when John Maynard Keynes coined the term “technological unemployment”) and 1940s, when the New York Times referred to the revival of such worries as the renewal of an “old argument”.

>As computers began to appear in offices and robots on factory floors, President John F. Kennedy declared that the major domestic challenge of the 1960s was to “maintain full employment at a time when automation…is replacing men”. In 1964 a group of Nobel prizewinners, known as the Ad Hoc Committee on the Triple Revolution, sent President Lyndon Johnson a memo alerting him to the danger of a revolution triggered by “the combination of the computer and the automated self-regulating machine”. This, they said, was leading to a new era of production “which requires progressively less human labour” and threatened to divide society into a skilled elite and an unskilled underclass. The advent of personal computers in the 1980s provoked further hand-wringing over potential job losses.

and based on a simplistic understanding of how automation impacts the demand for labour.

Automation reduces costs, and this increases consumer spending on more difficult to automate goods/services. [2]

That has been the pattern for 200 years, and why wages today are 20X what they were in 1800.

Unfortunately, ideas like yours are very common [3] and lead to terrible government policy.

[1] https://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21700758-will-...

[2] https://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/10/24/13327014/productivi...

[3] http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_big_four_ec.html

Re: Study: Loneliness, Social Isolation Greater Health Problem in US Than Obesity

#98
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you and I consider an authentic connection seem to very different. It's not strictly a numbers game. And I beg differ that it was absolutely easier even just 20 years to meet people and have more meaningful connections. The age of connectivity through artificial means has distanced everyone from society as a whole. People don't put any effort into their relationships anymore and that is the source of the problem…

While I absolutely agree re: distance, I think that another reason "20 years ago" resonates is that many of use were younger 20 years ago. And it sure was easier to make friends as a kid.

Everyone makes friends a lot easier while in school thats for sure. It's an environment that's very conducive toward doing so. However 20 years ago the primary way people were connecting with one another wasn't through an app or website.
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