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IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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To answer that you need a way of equating money with "utility" (i.e. the use and/or pleasure that people get from their money). I believe that utility is logarithmic with rate of expenditure. Hence doubling your spending rate gets you a constant increment in utility. This is why we measure pay rises in percent rather than absolute value. Another $100/week would make a huge difference to someone on the breadline, but…

My guess is it would be more of a logistic curve (S-shaped) rather than logarithmic. $1 does not make you much happier than 1¢, but $50k/year is a big step up from $30k/year. At the low end, at some point you can afford to have a roof over your head, and an extra $20 might mean that you're eating much better for a whole week, or you can buy new shoes, or whatever. But if you're homeless, $20 won't feed you for very l…

I think you are right that at very low levels, the same sum of money becomes much less useful, but I think you are wrong about the level at which that happens.

A few years ago, I met a beggar at a bus stop, who said that the store across the street had a sleeping bag for 50% off until the end of the week, and he was hoping that he would be able to buy it for the winter. I didn't have much money on me myself (basically just the bus fare), but I gave him what I had and walked home instead. To him, those five-ish euros meant not freezing in his sleep, while to me, they only meant a bit of unplanned exercise.

If you have nothing at all, every little bit of money gives you access to some tangible improvement of your situation. But if you have much less than nothing, and every cent of additional income just serves to lower a gigantic debt, there isn't really much incentive to earn more when it makes no significant difference in the end. This is probably one of the reasons bankruptcy law allows discharging unpayable debts, because otherwise debtors might not be motivated to do something about the debts they could repay.

Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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The rise in inequality also corresponds to the availability of "cheap" personal credit. The availability of credit also corresponds to a decreased rate of rise in wages. It's almost like the two are linked. Stop paying people more and give them loans instead.

That's exactly what happened. To keep the system working given both rising inequality and rising productivity, the money was loaned to workers instead of provided as salary; see Richard Wolff: http://www.mediaed.org/transcripts/Capitalism-Hits-the-Fan-T...

Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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I'd like to see corporation tax replaced with a Border Adjustment Tax [1]. The tax would be paid on the result of USA Revenue - USA Costs. If you were to move intellectual property offshore and licence it from that subsidiary then that would not be a USA Cost and therefore would not be deductible. If you brought it back onshore then it would only be deductible if there was a cost. If you moved into another company wi…

Okay sounds good in this case but what if a company really needs to buy a licence from an offshore company, let's say a critical technical part in your manufacturing process. Then you can't deduct it but in reality these are your costs. Remember that the problem is caused by companies abusing the system but the rules are there because honest companies need to operate. The real solution would fix the issue while allow…

Then they would need to raise your prices to afford the tax, or select a more expensive locally made alternative.

Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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It isn't the technology that's to blame for how the wealth it creates is distributed. That's just silly. And honestly, an efficient socialist economy is made much more realistic by modern technology. There's a lot that can be done to offset some of the downsides that have been associated with it in the past.

Not the least of which is mass automation, which removes one of the worst aspects of socialism and communism; the permanent working underclass.

A friend of mine says Communism arrived 100 years too early, I'd say that's an excellent way to put it.

Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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If it's your parent, partner, or kids, (or even if it's not -- it could be anyone) you're welcome to provide for them yourself. You're also welcome to donate to (or even work for!) charities that provide for them. But it's not OK to force everyone else to provide for them.

Mark Blyth (prof. of political economy at Brown) has advice for anyone with this attitude: "The Hamptons is not a defensible position"[1]. What are you going to do when a large fraction of the population starts getting hungry and they decide taking what they need from you (and everyone else with wealth/resources)? Do you really think that the police will simply arrest them? What about when someone starts shooting and…

In the long term isn't it economically better to get people out of this welfare culture so they can provide for themselves? Gangs aren't formed to feed starving people, they form because the culture is broken. In the long term, placating gangs with welfare money will backfire. Arguably it's the welfare money that significantly led to the culture breakdown in the first place by destroying economic and social structure.

Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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Here's another possibility: The highly increased value of intellectual property that comes from IT has made transfer pricing a much more efficient means of tax avoidance for companies, who are free to move almost all their profits to the Cayman Islands and other tax havens. Expecting our tax authorities to judge whether a trade between two subsidiaries of a multinational is at 'fair market value' makes sense if they'…

The authors of the paper identify a trend of "growth that began in the 1970's", and say that correlates with the emergence of IT firms being able to erect barriers to competition. It might be coincidence, but the late 1970s is also when: 1. The US Copyright Act of 1976 extended copyright from a fixed term of 28 years (with opt-in 28 year extension) to the life of the author plus 70 years. 2. The Patent Cooperation Tr…

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Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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I really thought it was corrupt politicians giving away public resources to private mega corporations, irresponsible financing systems, wall street selling lel bonds, the undermining of the national working class, bogus copyright laws that are designed to squish small and upcoming competition, and people purchasing garbage degrees instead of useful ones with money they don't have guaranteeing they'll be indebted for…

Common media narratives like the ones you describe are usually wrong or at least they give misguided view of relative importance of different factors.

"Common media narratives" ... or ... "easily observed phenomena"?

You be the judge!

Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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post #75

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I'd like to see corporation tax replaced with a Border Adjustment Tax [1]. The tax would be paid on the result of USA Revenue - USA Costs. If you were to move intellectual property offshore and licence it from that subsidiary then that would not be a USA Cost and therefore would not be deductible. If you brought it back onshore then it would only be deductible if there was a cost. If you moved into another company wi…

Hadn't heard of that before. Personally, I'm rooting for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formulary_apportionment

Anything like that which results in a huge financial incentive for outsourcing is not going to be popular.

Re: IT is the cause of rising income and wealth inequality since the 1970s [pdf]

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see corporation tax replaced with a Border Adjustment Tax [1]. The tax would be paid on the result of USA Revenue - USA Costs. If you were to move intellectual property offshore and licence it from that subsidiary then that would not be a USA Cost and therefore would not be deductible. If you brought it back onshore then it would only be deductible if there was a cost. If you moved into another company wi…

Okay sounds good in this case but what if a company really needs to buy a licence from an offshore company, let's say a critical technical part in your manufacturing process. Then you can't deduct it but in reality these are your costs. Remember that the problem is caused by companies abusing the system but the rules are there because honest companies need to operate. The real solution would fix the issue while allow…

> Then you can't deduct it but in reality these are your costs.

The tax wasn't collected to begin with. The reason you can deduct it when buying from a local company is that they paid it. If you buy from a foreign company that hasn't paid it then you have to because they didn't. It isn't an unfairness, it's the reinstitution of fairness.

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