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Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks

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Post by Fgapd » Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 12:59 PM UTC

MichaelGG wrote: post #5

Odd/interesting that they don't mention motives. They give one example of using acid to commit a mugging. Yet[1] seems to state that acid attacks are mostly male-on-female violence for relationships/shame issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#Epidemiology So it is a real threat to tourists? It's like when you hear about high crime in some area, but it's mostly gang members killing each other -- it's a s…

Most are in response to petty crime, such as stolen bikes, bumping into someone. The parties involved are rarely 'innocent' themselves having committed a petty crime against the aggrieved idiot with a bottle of acid.

Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks

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Post by Fgapd » Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 1:05 PM UTC

dazc wrote: post #28

tombrossman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what percentage of these people end up recording themselves getting their asses kicked instead? Imagine you are in a foreign city and someone sprayed yourself or a loved one with an unknown substance. I'm not talking about a child with a squirt gun innocently playing around, I mean another adult behaving differently from social norms. I have to think the probability of a violent reaction is pretty high.

In the UK, reacting violently to any kind of attack is very likely to result in you being prosecuted for assault. If anyone is wondering why anti-social behaviour and minor criminality is now so common here it is not that decent people don't want to do anything about it, it is because the Police are often perceived to be on the same side of the assailants.

They are. It's easier to get a good person to be honest about what they did and why than a criminal. Police are also just as criminal, the thin blue line needs to end.

Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 1:05 PM UTC

dazc wrote: post #28

tombrossman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what percentage of these people end up recording themselves getting their asses kicked instead? Imagine you are in a foreign city and someone sprayed yourself or a loved one with an unknown substance. I'm not talking about a child with a squirt gun innocently playing around, I mean another adult behaving differently from social norms. I have to think the probability of a violent reaction is pretty high.

In the UK, reacting violently to any kind of attack is very likely to result in you being prosecuted for assault. If anyone is wondering why anti-social behaviour and minor criminality is now so common here it is not that decent people don't want to do anything about it, it is because the Police are often perceived to be on the same side of the assailants.

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Re: Fears for tourists in London as acid attacks escalate in recent weeks

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Post by BrandoElFollito » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 8:28 AM UTC

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #31

tombrossman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, a violent reaction (in self defence) might be justified. It's not automatic, and would have to be proportional. For example, it might be enough to simply grab the person and hold them down on the ground until the police arrive unless it quickly became obvious that it was just a harmless prank. If they sprayed you with something harmful, or decide to resist being detained then yes, it may be necessary…

I was attacked twice, with bare fists. I was surprised, terrified and did not act rationally. I also have 15+ years of offensive self-defense training (dojo training). The muscular memory kicked in and I responded to the attack ferociously. I hit him once, twice, three times (blood was splashing around), then finished him with a kick which sent a few of his teeth out. The guy was laying on the floor and yelling as if…

EDIT: cannot edit anymore but I meant of course

Hitting someone, he is lying (without the not)