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Re: Tim O'Reilly accuses New York Times of "flamebait reporting"

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Post by benatkin » Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 6:40 AM UTC

petercooper wrote: post #6

Usually when people complain about misquoting, the misquoted facts aren't true or they make the quotee sound crazy/evil. In this case, though, it's the exact opposite: “Microsoft is totally off the radar of the cool, hip, cutting-edge software developers.” "These [partner] software developers and technicians have bet their careers on Microsoft and largely benefited from that choice. In addition, they have helped keep…

I don't think the first statement is strictly true. One of my favorite HNers uses F# for his startup. Microsoft is on DropBox's radar out of necessity. Chrome was first developed for Windows and still performs best on it.

The statement doesn't use any qualifiers. It uses the word "totally". One of the most common ways to take someone's opinion out of context is to make it sound black and white.

Re: Tim O'Reilly accuses New York Times of "flamebait reporting"

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Post by wildtreat » Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 2:24 PM UTC

petercooper wrote: post #6

Usually when people complain about misquoting, the misquoted facts aren't true or they make the quotee sound crazy/evil. In this case, though, it's the exact opposite: “Microsoft is totally off the radar of the cool, hip, cutting-edge software developers.” "These [partner] software developers and technicians have bet their careers on Microsoft and largely benefited from that choice. In addition, they have helped keep…

     cool, hip,

I agree but cutting-edge software developers? Please they work for Microsoft and Google. People on this forum have a way of deluding themselves. 37signals et. al. aren't the Cutting edge software developer, people who create Flume-Java are.

This forum consists mostly of latte sipping, hip crowd, without any CS degrees and lack of knowledge of Maths.

Microsoft employs as well as attracts some of the best software devs to its platform. Also it makes stuff easy for them unlike Objective C.

Re: Tim O'Reilly accuses New York Times of "flamebait reporting"

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Post by pohl » Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 3:48 PM UTC

benatkin wrote: post #11

petercooper wrote: post #6

Usually when people complain about misquoting, the misquoted facts aren't true or they make the quotee sound crazy/evil. In this case, though, it's the exact opposite: “Microsoft is totally off the radar of the cool, hip, cutting-edge software developers.” "These [partner] software developers and technicians have bet their careers on Microsoft and largely benefited from that choice. In addition, they have helped keep…

I don't think the first statement is strictly true. One of my favorite HNers uses F# for his startup. Microsoft is on DropBox's radar out of necessity. Chrome was first developed for Windows and still performs best on it. The statement doesn't use any qualifiers. It uses the word "totally". One of the most common ways to take someone's opinion out of context is to make it sound black and white.

With the possible exception of the F#-using denizen of HN, the examples you mention are obligated, by the nature of their model, to exist on Windows. I would think that a better way to characterize whether they are on or off the radar of the relevant demographic would be to examine those cases where there is no such obligation.

Re: Tim O'Reilly accuses New York Times of "flamebait reporting"

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Post by pohl » Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 4:01 PM UTC

wildtreat wrote: post #12

petercooper wrote: post #6

Usually when people complain about misquoting, the misquoted facts aren't true or they make the quotee sound crazy/evil. In this case, though, it's the exact opposite: “Microsoft is totally off the radar of the cool, hip, cutting-edge software developers.” "These [partner] software developers and technicians have bet their careers on Microsoft and largely benefited from that choice. In addition, they have helped keep…

cool, hip, I agree but cutting-edge software developers? Please they work for Microsoft and Google. People on this forum have a way of deluding themselves. 37signals et. al. aren't the Cutting edge software developer, people who create Flume-Java are. This forum consists mostly of latte sipping, hip crowd, without any CS degrees and lack of knowledge of Maths. Microsoft employs as well as attracts some of the best so…

While my degree was a dual major in mathematics and computer science, I'll give you that I do know how to pull my own shots of espresso.

Still, for the purposes of the article, I would think that Microsoft's employees would be the wrong place to look if one were trying to gauge how well they're resonating with up-and-coming developers, developers, developers, developers.

Re: Tim O'Reilly accuses New York Times of "flamebait reporting"

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Post by johnohara » Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 5:15 PM UTC

wildtreat wrote: post #12

petercooper wrote: post #6

Usually when people complain about misquoting, the misquoted facts aren't true or they make the quotee sound crazy/evil. In this case, though, it's the exact opposite: “Microsoft is totally off the radar of the cool, hip, cutting-edge software developers.” "These [partner] software developers and technicians have bet their careers on Microsoft and largely benefited from that choice. In addition, they have helped keep…

cool, hip, I agree but cutting-edge software developers? Please they work for Microsoft and Google. People on this forum have a way of deluding themselves. 37signals et. al. aren't the Cutting edge software developer, people who create Flume-Java are. This forum consists mostly of latte sipping, hip crowd, without any CS degrees and lack of knowledge of Maths. Microsoft employs as well as attracts some of the best so…

I like mine hot and black -- like the background on my text editor. No lattes for me. No sir.

And yes, the weight has been shifting to my hips because I sit in the cool air-conditioning all day.

And okay. You got me. I'll go read about Flume-Java.