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Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by biggerbistro » Fri, Aug 04, 2017, 6:49 PM UTC

saimiam wrote: post #63

geff82 wrote: post #41

For all you non-Nobel-Price holders that aren't uneducated and want to live somewhere else: Germany welcomes you. Actually, having a bachelor's degree in the STEM field almost automatically gets you a visa for "searching work" for 6-12 months. If in that time you find a job that pays at least ca. 40.000 Euro, you get the "BlueCard" which leads to permanent residency after 2-4 years (depending on your German skills).…

Come to India. The demographic dividend of having a captive and growing billion strong market coupled with a vibrant media and democratic institutions make this a no brainer. Plus, once you make a name for yourself in India, the rest of the third world is yours for the taking. FD - See other comment about H1B holder fucking off back home to India to grow my company.

India doesn't seem like an ideal location based on the number of tech emigrants going to other countries. What do you think of this phenomenon? Is there a reasonable explanation that doesn't try to skew it as "They are adventurous and want to experience other cultures"?

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by saimiam » Fri, Aug 04, 2017, 7:11 PM UTC

biggerbistro wrote: post #71

saimiam wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come to India. The demographic dividend of having a captive and growing billion strong market coupled with a vibrant media and democratic institutions make this a no brainer. Plus, once you make a name for yourself in India, the rest of the third world is yours for the taking. FD - See other comment about H1B holder fucking off back home to India to grow my company.

India doesn't seem like an ideal location based on the number of tech emigrants going to other countries. What do you think of this phenomenon? Is there a reasonable explanation that doesn't try to skew it as "They are adventurous and want to experience other cultures"?

I'm going to take some guesses for why entrepreneurs are choosing other countries over india but I'd rather talk about why I am going back...

Their reasons could be one or more of these:

- India is messy, idiosyncratic, language is a barrier, it's a tech backwater despite all the BPO/Backoffice work being shipped there, no one cool who doesn't already have roots in India is in India, Indians aren't ready to spend money, Indian money is less valuable because of capital controls, questionable public safety and health standards

What I am seeing are signs of green grass in the barren indian startup landscape -

1. There is HUGE pent up demand internet access as evidenced by the blockbuster launch of Reliance Jio

2. I come from a real small (even by western standards) town in eastern India. People from my hometown are on Tinder! I cannot begin to tell you how shocking this is for how conservative that part of the country is.

3. Lots of in-country migration: Our generation (1980-) has totally upended the way Indians live. They are relocating to different parts of the country, they are marrying people they'd NEVER ever meet a generation ago - its a beautiful sight to behold.

4. they have disposable money for experiential holidays

I'm sure there are a million reasons why Startup Chile or France are more attractive to the average entrepreneur. Give India a look is all I'm saying. You're leaving a billion people on the table when you don't consider the Indian subcontinent in your international expansion plans. Amidst all the craziness and weird English, you'll find people who are grateful your product reached them.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by dang » Sat, Aug 05, 2017, 6:12 AM UTC

cmahler7 wrote: post #21

saimiam wrote: post #14

(Not an economist. Current h1b visa holder about to leave the US to grow my company in India.) A country whose indigenous population growth is stagnating, whose indigenous population does currently not pick up all available jobs, whose economy is 6x as big as Canada and Australia combined is choosing to turn away immigrants. From a purely numerical standpoint, an 18T dollar economy built by 330M individuals will star…

How about we spend the same hundreds of millions or billions incentivizing those smart people to have kids rather than importing uneducated people because they breed like rabbits? Bringing in millions of people who will most likely be reliant on government benefits while punishing successful people isn't a winning strategy. Only 13% of Germany's refugees have found work, not really helping GDP. http://www.reuters.com…

> importing uneducated people because they breed like rabbits

Since you're posting like this after we just asked you to stop using HN for political and ideological battle, I've banned this account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by ausvisaissues » Sat, Aug 05, 2017, 9:25 AM UTC

akhilcacharya wrote: post #40

For a group of people that keep saying they're cool with "LEGAL" immigrants, I'm confused - what is the need for a change?

The current H1b system has a cap, with more applications than positions. This is resolved via a "lottery". If you apply, you have a 30% chance of being selected. Indian outsourcing firms started to game the lottery (for every position have 3 applicants).

The new system will resolve the above problem by selecting applicants with the most points (giving points for skills, etc...).

From person experience H1b lottery is heart-wrenching, and makes it difficult to plan. The Australian system (which is similar to this system), is much better.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by ausvisaissues » Sat, Aug 05, 2017, 9:28 AM UTC

chvid wrote: post #47

I am curious - does anyone here from the us actually think this is an improvement compared to the existing h1b system?

I will immigrate to US in Dec. and think it is a vast improvement.

H1b lottery is a broken system which is gamed by outsourcing companies.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by dennisgorelik » Sat, Aug 05, 2017, 9:44 AM UTC

fiblye wrote: post #60

saimiam wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you realize the unfeasibility of you're suggesting. You're asking for 1. 15-20% of the world which have higher education degrees to have enough kids to carry the burden of the remaining 80-85% 2. You're also asking that same 15-20% of the educated world to voluntarily have more children with the knowledge that some of them will have to do less than salubrious work. Would you take on such a burden yourse…

Developed countries as a whole have dropping birth rates. Europe, America, and East Asia are facing an impending crisis because their birth rates are dropping so fast. The current solution is "don't worry just bring in poor people." The problem is as the countries those immigrants come from develop, not only do the birth rates of those countries drop, but those people have less reason to migrate since their home is g…

> Maintaining local birth rates is going to be a colossal problem 50 years from now

Evolution and natural selection would solve that problem: children of people who have more kids - are more likely to have kids themselves.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by sumedh » Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 1:46 AM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #68

sumedh wrote: post #38

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> you are much more likely to be declined unless you have a job offer / sponsorship. No that does not matter, if you have 60 points (for AUS) and there are open slots for that month you can apply for the visa. Preference is given to people who have highest points.

That does matter because at least in Canada you get a lot of points for having a job offer or if you have previously worked in Canada (the former gives more than the latter). I'm willing to bet that it's the same case for AUS. In most cases having a job offer is the the highest (points wise) score awarding qualification, in the UK currently you cannot qualify for a Tier 2 visa without this (simply won't reach the req…

Exactly that is my point, not having a job offer is not a deal breaker. You can get points for other requirements and apply.

> it shouldn't be a problem for you to get a job upfront also.

That is not true, majority of smart people do not get job in CAN or AUS if they are not in the country. Most HR will simply throw away your resume if you are not in the country.